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Title: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: gaygirl on Tuesday 07 June 16 01:48 BST (UK)
I am researching a relative and have his Army records but would like to know a few more details.

He departed for Egypt on 17/2/41 - how can I find out which ship he would have been on

Where did the 2nd NZRF serve overseas - I am not sure what info is required to find this out.
My first research in to this area so I am not sure where to look.

Thanks
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: AbbyKatNZ on Tuesday 07 June 16 02:14 BST (UK)
If you know what Regiment/Battalion he was in,try a Google search. There is a lot of information available online now.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: Janette on Tuesday 07 June 16 02:44 BST (UK)
Do you have his full WW2 file from NZDF,if so usually these have all the details.
Do you mean the 2nd NZEF?

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: Glenda46 on Tuesday 07 June 16 02:59 BST (UK)
if you just go to NZ Army site you should be able to find the information and download his file unless it is closed for "security reasons"
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: AbbyKatNZ on Tuesday 07 June 16 03:08 BST (UK)
if you just go to NZ Army site you should be able to find the information and download his file unless it is closed for "security reasons"

You have to apply to NZDF for records from 1 Jan 1921. http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/nzdf-archives/default.htm
Prior to that date, the records are held by Archives NZ and are being digitized, most of them available via Archway.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: Glenda46 on Tuesday 07 June 16 03:53 BST (UK)
See things change by the hour, that is how I got mine and have a friend just trying to get her Dad's and it is restricted.. Anyway this is not getting my own stuff done so cheerio for now.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: spades on Tuesday 07 June 16 04:29 BST (UK)
Hi Glenda,

Can you tell us the reason for the restriction, please?

Spades

Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: gaygirl on Tuesday 07 June 16 04:57 BST (UK)
I did receive this persons  NZDF Personal  Details but some of the handwriting is difficult to read.

That does look like N.Z.E.F  now that I look closer at the photo of his headstone.

I also found a Unit 437 amongst some of the   papers I received.

His medals have not been  uplifted so we are working with relatives to see if we can have access to them but it is quite involved as to who is entitled to them.

I will do some googling when I get some time.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 07 June 16 05:37 BST (UK)
2nd N.Z.E.F. Trooping Voyages.......

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/convoy.htm

Note:

Many troop transport convoys left New Zealand shores during WWII via Australian ports crossing the Indian Ocean to the Suez Canal and finally by train to a camp outside Cairo where they prepared for desert training.  Check the 2nd New Zealand Expeditionary Force service records you hold for information regarding departure and disembarkation dates.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: Beg Clonrode... on Tuesday 07 June 16 05:47 BST (UK)
Quote from: gaygirl
His medals have not been uplifted

Hello...

Did your relative survive the war?

If he did and his medals were not issued you should first try and find out why.

Quite difficult as so many years have passed but, as ever, older family members might know.

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as to who is entitled to them

 ?

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Happy to try and decipher his service record if you can somehow upload it. Either here or on the "Handwriting Deciphering and Recognition" board

Regards
Beg
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: ScouseBoy on Tuesday 07 June 16 05:55 BST (UK)
Look for a place called Port Tewfik,  which was the name  of the port at which he may have disembarked in Egypt.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: ScouseBoy on Tuesday 07 June 16 06:11 BST (UK)
I am researching a relative and have his Army records but would like to know a few more details.

He departed for Egypt on 17/2/41 - how can I find out which ship he would have been on

Where did the 2nd NZRF serve overseas - I am not sure what info is required to find this out.
My first research in to this area so I am not sure where to look.

Thanks
  I suggest that you may like to look at "RASC  . Photos   .... "
on the World War Two  board.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: Glenda46 on Tuesday 07 June 16 06:13 BST (UK)
Spades, I don't know as my friend already had the information from the Army but on the archives it shows restricted. I will see her Thursday so will try and remember to ask her, I don't think she has got to the bottom of it. She got the Medals as they hadn't been uplifted.
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: Glenda46 on Tuesday 07 June 16 06:22 BST (UK)
to GayGirl.... I have my Dad's War diary beside me he served in the 2nd N Z E F but 2 years later (the married with 2 children intake). I know they went to Egypt and Italy there are many pages "cut out" for security reasons I guess, but I know he trained at Trentham in the North Island and then shipped to Perth for training and eventually across to Egypt and then onwards. Now you have reminded me I MUST type out the diary....I have a photo album of photos taken in the war..
Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: spades on Tuesday 07 June 16 06:26 BST (UK)
Hi Glenda,

I wonder if the restriction you mention applies to individuals where the NZDF have no record of their death.

If your subject is still living he (or the person who holds legal Power of Attorney over his affairs) will need to apply for his records and provide identification.

Spades

Title: Re: WW11 NZASC Departed NZ 17/2/41
Post by: atina576 on Tuesday 07 June 16 06:59 BST (UK)
A lot of WW11 Servicemen didn't apply for their medals because unlike WW1 they were not engraved with their name & service number & it was thought that they should be.   My father didn't apply for his because he felt that they wouldn't mean anything to other family members.   I applied & got them but I had to give all his details.
Good luck.