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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: vhb on Sunday 05 June 16 23:43 BST (UK)
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How can I get a marriage record from Russia?
And a Birth certificate from Kazakhstan (Russia back then)
Is there a database to know if they even exist? (May even have been destroyed during war)
Can someone find out without the need of an investigator?
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I realize I wrote Kazakstan but it should be UZBEKISTAN (TASHKENT)
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No idea, but it would probably be a starting point if you knew the place/town of birth and place of marriage.
Presumably the next step would be seeing if there are archives for the area and trying to make contact .... It may depend on dates of events as to if and what was recorded and if anything survives.
Google should help but language will undoubtedly be an issue unless you have some understanding of it.
Good luck. :)
Added: I had a look at some of the past threads here on rootschat and found this:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=600813.msg4504101#msg4504101
(I have no idea of the service or reliability of this person but you may wish to contact them - there are some fairly hefty costs are involved)
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Huh, never got a notification about this comment.. Will check it out
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I feel like I'm making microscopic progress, but maybe someone can shed some light.
I'm still looking for a way to get the marriage record of my great grandparents.
They married in Moscow, Russia, November 5th. 1906.
their names and birth data:
Jakob Huber 25-February-1878, Rosenheim, Germany
Sophie (nee Zehle) 09-November-1884, Moscow, Russia.
The tiny new piece of information is this:
Theodor Zehle (Теодор Целе) lived in Moscow. <-- this would be Sophie's father.
*In 1911 "All Moscow" directory he is listed residing at Novoslobodskaya Street, Samarin's house, draftsman.
*In 1897 he is listed at Saltykovsky [lane], Rudakov's house, metal workshops.
I don't even know if those two addresses are close by each other, maybe these are two different Theodors,
I know Jakob was catholic and Sophie was Lutheran (evangelical),
my grandfather was registered in a Lutheran church (in Uzbekistan), so I'm inclined to think that Sophie and Jakob would be married under that same religion..
The only thing I can think of, is maybe there is some sort of directory dated around 1906 where you can see if there was any Lutheran church in the vecinity of those streets?
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Sorry I have no idea where to suggest that you go from here. :-\
A contemporary map of the area where the Zehles lived may show a local Lutheran Church, however they may have travelled further afield to marry in a church aligned with their denomination, or in a bigger or better church than their local one.....
But what you say is true, you have no way of knowing if these are the correct Zehle family without some extra proof. How common was the surname?
Do you know that Sophie's father was called Theodor? :-\
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The locations:
http://www.mapofmoscow.net/streets/novoslobodskaya-street/23/
http://www.mapofmoscow.net/streets/saltykovskaya-street/
Opposite sides of the city centre it seems ....
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Yes, I'm 100% sure about the name Theodor.
Her parents full names:
Adolf Theodor Zehle
Emilie Caroline Reichenau
SOPHIE HUBER was born on November 9, 1884, in Moscow Oblast, Russia.
Then in 1889 her brother (also Theodor) was born in Berlin.
I have no idea how common was or is the surname Zehle. I know both parents (Theodor Zehle and Emilie Reichenau) were born in Germany, so maybe Zehle is not that common in Russia to begin with.. (Fingers crossed).
And about the streets and the churches, I guess is the only idea I can think of, about using that information. Unfortunately I know exactly 0 Russian, and I don't even know where to look! ??? ???
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Zehle does sound like a German name, which explains why they married in a Lutheran church.
If you know the date and place of Sophie and Jakob's marriage, and their parent's names, is there anything more you hope to glean from their marriage certificate/record?
It seems likely that the Theodor you found in the directories, may be Theodor, father of Sophie.
May I ask you where you found the directories? Do you know if there are directories for cities other than Moscow?
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Hello,
to move from one side of the city centre to the other side is no distance, when you came from Germany to Russia.
Church books might be lost or destroyed, but please check familysearch.org for German churches in Moscow. (I think Catherine the Great had been lutheran.) There are at least two:
* St. Michaelis-Gemeinde (luth.)
* St. Petri-Pauli-Kirche (luth.)
Regards Rudolf
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Research in Russia:
Here are a lot of links: http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Russland (http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Russland)
* English and German societies
* chats
* mailing-lists ...
The German version is much better than the English one:
http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/Russia (http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/Russia)
Good luck Rudolf
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Well, I need the actual record/ the marriage certificate. This is for citizenship purposes, the same goes for his son's (my grandfather) birth record. He was born in what is now Uzbekistan.
About the directories, there's a Facebook group called Eastern Europe Genealogy Research Community. Somebody provided me with this information.
The guy seems to be in or from Russia, and has this old directories (I guess some sort of "yellow pages"
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Thanks for the information about the directories vhb. :)
How far back to you need the certificates for "citizenship" purposes? This is a bit of an impossible situation as certificates are obviously difficult, if not impossible in some cases, to obtain.
Will they take any other proof of citizenship?
Do you need to hire someone in Moscow to try to obtain this for you? Questions must arise about record keeping or the survival of those records.
May I ask who is attempting to obtain citizenship, and of which country?
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Sure, the applicant would be me, and I need "original" documents that would prove german descent.
Those two documents are the ones I need,
My grandfather (Eugen) birth record.
And his parents (Jakob and Sophie) marriage record.
This would prove he was born under a "legal" marriage.
Jakob was german, that would make Eugen german as well as my father, then me.
There are some rules and dates to consider in this (not as simple as I'm putting it) but that is the simple explanation.
I already have Jakob's birth record from Germany and his citizen record.
I probably will have to hire somebody to obtain both documents. Because even if a went to Moscow and Tashkent I would be absolutely lost.
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Thanks for the explanation.
It seems a convoluted and difficult requirement, especially given the era and the fact that your relatives travelled around so much. I suppose this is intentional to prevent anyone and everyone claiming German citizenship.
You may need to hire someone to help.
Best of luck. :-\
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yup, :-[
and thanks, I think that's mostly what I will need. Luck