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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Gortinanima on Friday 03 June 16 15:07 BST (UK)
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Trying to locate passenger list for a ship MONTMORENCY to New Zealand 1857-1858
Left London 13 Dec 1857
Arrived Wellington 11 April 1858 (119 days Capt Kiddie).
The couple I am interested in got married soon after embarkation:
Married on Wed 14 April at Wellington by Rev Wm Kirton
David Bishop to Miss Mary Mooney only dau of the late Mr Mooney, Ireland;
both passengers per ship Montmorency.
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Hi,
I have asked the Moderators to move your request to the Main Board of NZ, where it will be seen for the help you need.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Gortinanima,
Here's a link to a testimonial to Capt. Kiddle from some passengers.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=WI18580417.2.3.2
Added: I see a 'Mary MOORNEY' in the first column... :) :)
The vessel arrived at Petone at the north end of Wellington Harbour. The Petone Settlers Museum has a partial list of the Montmorency (I searched by vessel), many from the testimonial linked above, but I found a Mary MOONEY and a David BISHOP arriving on the Montrose on the date you gave for the arrival of the Montmorency. Is this an error, I wonder?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hqw/
Spades
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I hope you don't mind me butting in here.
I've had a look at the Petone Settlers data via your link and there is information on some ancestors that I haven't seen on the passenger lists that are on Family Search. E.g. A place of birth (village) whereas the list on FamilySearch just states the county.
Would you know whether there other records about the voyages or passengers that Hutt City has in addition to the lists on FamilySearch?
What would "? PSM" stand for?
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What would "? PSM" stand for?
PSM = Petone Settlers Museum ?
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PSM = Petone Settlers Museum ?
Thank you. That does seem likely.
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Passenger list for the Montmorency.......
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WI18580417.2.4&srpos=27&e=-04-1858--04-1858--10--21----2montmorency--
Minniehaha.
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Hi Gortinanima,
I can't explain why David BISHOP and Mary MOONEY/MOORNEY appear under the manifest for the
Montrose not the Montmorency.
As far as I can see so far the Montrose only made one voyage to Wellington (in 1882) while the Montmorency certainly arrived in April 1858.
The Montmorency was destroyed by fire in Napier harbour in 1867.
http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bre02Whit-t1-body-d1-d7-d8.html
Hurworth, Petone Settlers Museum records were sourced from published shipping records, social security records and from information contributed by family/descendants, so its possible to find real gems amongst the data.
Spades
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Well done, Minniehaha. ;D ;D
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I just put on my special specs. ;D ;D
Minniehaha.
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:P :P :P ;)
The Petone Settlers Museum database is in error.
Comparing the passenger list of the Montmorency published in the Wellington Independent on 17 April 1858, Page 3 (see Minniehaha's link to it above) I see from a random sample that passengers MALLOCK, BISHOP, MOONEY/MOORNEY, KITSON and RUSTON all appear in the Petone Settlers Museum database under a spurious 1858 voyage of the Montrose.
I will approach the Petone Settlers Museum to ask for a correction.
Can anyone find any records of the Montrose or any of its voyages to New Zealand other than that in 1882?
Spades
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I just put on my special specs. ;D ;D
Minniehaha.
Obviously not from Spec Savers then ;D May be I need a special pair on my next visit ;D
Cheers
KHP
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and from information contributed by family/descendants, so its possible to find real gems amongst the data.
Spades
That's the bit which can be unreliable ;) or illuminating.
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I just put on my special specs. ;D ;D
Minniehaha.
Obviously not from Spec Savers then ;D May be I need a special pair on my next visit ;D
Cheers
KHP
I suspect it might have been OPSM
Cheers Janette
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Re reply #10.......
An account of the first (?) voyage of theMontrose to New Zealand in 1882.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ESD18820508.2.29&srpos=24&e=--1882--05-1882--10--21----0montrose+shipping-ARTICLE-
A barque, she was built in 1863.
Minniehaha.
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Just back from a weekend away so just getting to go through this thread and thanks to all who contributed - much appreciated. ;D ;D ;D
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Just back from a weekend away so just getting to go through this thread and thanks to all who contributed - much appreciated. ;D ;D ;D
So, do delighted that a link was found for a passenger list ;D ;D
You folks are amazing!
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I have compared the passenger list of the Montmorency with the Petone Settlers Museum listing for the Montrose, and found 61 passengers on the Montmorency incorrectly assigned to the Montrose, with another 11 Montmorency passengers omitted entirely from the Petone Settlers Museum database.
I will contact the Petone Settlers Museum and request that they correct their database and add the missing names.
Spades
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Hi,
The Position of the Montmorency on the 23rd Dec 1855 was Lat 23-25 Long 32-58.
The captains daughter Elizabeth SS Kiddie was born on ship during the voyage to ?
The Captain, James Kiddie born in Fife c1820 was a distant relation to my Wife.
Cheers