RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: suehiggi on Thursday 02 June 16 15:54 BST (UK)
-
Can anyone help me please. I am tracing my family bck and have come to a block. I have a marriage certificate for John James Blower and Emma Luxford dated 1870 at St Mary's Chaterhouse Holborn Middlesex. It states that John's father was Richard Blower a boot maker of 8 George Yard and Emma's father was James a shoemaker of 2 George Yard. I can,t find any reference to either father at these addresses in any census, and am unable to trace back any further. If anyone has any information on either family or can help in anyway i would be so grateful. Thank You Sue
-
Welcome :)
The addresses on a marriage certificate should be those for bride and groom, rather than their respective fathers (whose names and occupations only should be stated).
Have you found the couple in the 1871 census for ages and birthplaces?
-
I am tracing my family bck and have come to a block. I have a marriage certificate for John James Blower and Emma Luxford dated 1870 at St Mary's Chaterhouse Holborn Middlesex.
I see that the bridegroom was recorded as just John Blower (no middle name) of full age, firewood cutter.
Emma Luxford was aged 18 at marriage on 3 October 1870.
Witnesses seem to have been on the bride's side - J (or T?) Luxford signed, and Mary Luxford made her mark.
-
Maybe? though father John, not James
1861
Macclesfield Str, St Luke
John Luxford 31 shoe maker
Hannah 25 (or 23?)
Emma 8
Harriet 7 mths all bn St Lukes
-
Hi all 1871 John 21 Emma 19
Benbow Rents. St Luke
Census ref RG10/407/38/1
Keyboard86
-
Maybe? though father John, not James
1861
Macclesfield Str, St Luke
John Luxford 31 shoe maker
Hannah 25 (or 23?)
Emma 8
Harriet 7 mths all bn St Lukes
This one can be ruled out - she marries William Ottaway. Father given as John Luxford, bootmaker
-
It looks as though Emma (born 2 May 1854) was baptised as Martha Emma Luxford at St Thomas Charterhouse, Finsbury, daughter of James & Mary Ann, on 2 April 1858.
Likely death as Emma Martha Blower in Holborn in 1897, aged 39.
Her husband appears to remarry as John James Blower in Holborn in 1899, confusingly to another Emma (Emma Esther Burt).
-
Thank you everyone for your help. It's interesting that John remarried. No knowledge of that in my family history. The 1871 census seems to be the couple but is it unusual not to be able find any mention if either of them in earlier ones with their parents. Thank you again for all your help. I have been trying for weeks to trace both couples back with no joy until now.
-
Hi possible for Emma in 1861 census :-
Mary Luxford 35 Married occ Brace Maker
Thomas 14
Mary Ann 10
EMMA M 7
Eliza 5
James 1
Residing at Rose Court, St Luke, Finsbury
Census ref RG09/206/66/31
Keyboard86
-
There is a death for a Richard Blower in St Luke (Jun qtr 1852, 1b 340). No age given so it might need further investigation.
ETA - that death might be the Richard Blower bap at St Lukes in Dec 1837. (Born Feb 27th 1837)
-
Hi again, Baptism of Mary Ann Luxford :-
7th July 1852 Charterhouse St Thomas Father James occ Shoemaker Mother Mary Ann abode 7, Rose Square
Keyboard86
-
Hi again, on the same day Martha Emma was baptised 2nd April 1858 there were also :-
Eliza born 25th August 1856
James Edward? born 13th September 1846
Mary Ann ( Again)? born 1st January 1852
And 26th February 1860 James all St Thomas, Charterhouse Street either abode Crown Court or 4, Rose Passage
Keyboard86
-
Thank you everyone. Seems like some siblings for Martha/Emma now which is great. Spent the day trying to find a trace of Richard Blower or James Luxford on 1841 census or possible baptism records but no luck yet. I'll post if I find anything.
-
Hi two things, wish I could locate ie marriage for James to Mary Ann also registered births of children!?
James could be in 1841 Census
William Luxford 1796
Mary 1816
JAMES 1826
John 1831
George 1841
Residing at Normans Buildings, St Luke
Census ref HO107/668/ 6/39 / 12
They are Shoemakers I believe?!
Keyboard86
PS why does James Edward b 13th September 1846 become apparently Thomas in 1861?
EDIT
1851 census
William Luxford 61 occ Shoemaker
Mary 37 wife b Suffolk
George 7
Esther 3
John 21 occ Shoemaker
Residing Hall Place, St Lukes
Census ref HO107/1521/178/34
Keyboard86
EDIT found a James Luxford 1860 St Luke's birth
Possible marriage for William Luxford :-
10th April 1843 St Giles without Cripplegate
William Luxford Widower occ Shoemaker Father William occ Hatter
Mary Cook Spinster Father Edward Cook occ??
Both residing Halls Place
One of the witnesses was an Elizabeth Luxford
-
That looks really hopeful. The 1841 census gives william and Mary as possible parents and maybe James isn't on the 1851 census with the family group as he had moved on. The sibling john tallies. Thank you so much. I can't believe how kind people are being and time you are giving up to help me research this
-
;D Looking at the age of Mary 1841/51 doubt she could be the mother of James, remember William was a Widower at marriage!
Keyboard86
PS the George Luxford in 1841 looks to have died September qtr 1842 St Lukes v2 page 197 so would suggest as there's another George in 1843/4 to the newly married couple his name must be significant?
EDIT George Edward Luxford September qtr 1843 St Lukes v2 page 246
Possible death George Edward Luxford September qtr 1869 Holborn 1b 479 aged 26
-
You are right! Got so excited at what you found I'm missing the obvious!! I need to sit and draw it as a family tree to understand the connections! Thank you so much.
-
;D Looking at the age of Mary 1841/51 doubt she could be the mother of James, remember William was a Widower at marriage!
Keyboard86
PS the George Luxford in 1841 looks to have died September qtr 1842 St Lukes v2 page 197 so would suggest as there's another George in 1843/4 to the newly married couple his name must be significant?
EDIT George Edward Luxford September qtr 1843 St Lukes v2 page 246
Possible death George Edward Luxford September qtr 1869 Holborn 1b 479 aged 26
;D This side of your family is driving me nuts!!
The George Edward Luxford death above could possibly be the one who married a Louisa Maria Lewis 1st June 1867 St Bartholomew, Moor Lane Grooms Father William HENRY Luxford occ Shoemaker
Louisa Maria remarried a George Greenslade 25th December 1872 St Mark's Shoreditch as a Widow
Esther Luxford married an Edward Rhodes 2nd July 1867
Again father a William Henry Luxford
Keyboard86
-
I know! It's all so confusing. I was originally hoping just to confirm Emma Luxford and John Blowers parents on each side as richard Blower and James Luxford to see if I could go back further in the family tree but these Luxfords are quite a tangle!
-
St Lukes Old Street 27/9/1897
Victoria Annie Blower born 7/6/1897 parents John & Emma Martha
5 Deans Ct Hatfield Street Golden Lane occ. Porter at Book binders
1901 census 14 Rednor St St Lukes
Mary Ann Greeenwood wid 49
Mary Ann " dau 25
Elizabeth " " 19
Mary Ann Luxford grandmother 73
Annie Blower 3 niece
Jennifer
-
Victoria Annie married 1919 West Ham Edwin J Babbage died Chelmsford 1974
Mary Ann Luxford /Greenwood marriage seems to tie her to William as father and Annie later with a Cook family.
Jennifer
-
Just registered with this site. Victoria Annie Blower was my grandmother. I'm trying to research her background. We've got quite a bit on my grandad Edwin Babbage.
-
I think we are related! I have Annie Blower is my great grand mother. ( I don't have her first name as Victoria) but if it is the same person she had 9 children with Thomas Blower. I have her eldest son Thomas as having descendents that married into the Babbage family( Thomas's daughter Margaret) I am descended from her daughter Rose who was my grandmother who married Frank Coyne. I have a copy of Thomas and Annie's marriage certificate 1897 in Hoxton and his birth certificate which gives his parents as John James Blower and Emma Luxford 1874 St Luke's white cross street. Are you related To Ruby Collingsho lived in looe ? I haven't figured out if it is possible to direct message each other but do be in touch if you find any more information on the Luxford/Blowers. As you can see in this thread I have got into a muddle with them and have got no further for sure.
-
Sorry. Got some of above wrong. Trying to post from memory rather than look at my research! Thomas married Margaret Babbage ( not his daughters) they had 3 children. Joyce, Ruby and Alan. Was just talking to my mother who remembers visiting Tomas and Margaret who were her Uncle and Auntie
-
Finally sorted this out. John J blower married Emma Luxford in 1870. They had ten children the last one was Victoria Ann in 1897 the same year EmmaLuxford/blower died. Their second son ( Victoria's elder brother was Thomas Blower born 1875. He went on to marry Annie Rapley and had a son also Thomas in 1898. This Thomas married Margaret Babbage who was Edwin Babbage's sister. So we have the Babbage brother and sister both marrying into the Blower Family.
-
That's really interesting Sue! I wasn't aware of it all. My elder sister Caroline has much more information than me, I'll call her in the morning and find out if she knew and what else we have.
-
That would be wonderful Mark. If your sister would like any of my research so far ask her to post here and then I can direct message her. Sue