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Looking for information on Kathleen Ryan, born in 1879 in Walgett NSW, parent Daniel Ryan, Elizabeth Moore. This is according to her marriage and death certificates. But I cannot find any info on her. Sometimes known as Kate Ryan, Catherine Ryan, Catherine Taylor. She married John Roland Byrnes in Yuelba Qld in 1915. May have lived in the St George Qld area with a Mrs Kelly prior to this. She lived in the Yuelba area from about 1901.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Sometimes known as Kate Ryan, Catherine Ryan, Catherine Taylor.
Kathleen/Kate/Catherine aren't unusual variants, but in what records is her name listed as Catherine Taylor?
<i> May have lived in the St George Qld area with a Mrs Kelly prior to this.</i>
Prior to 1915, when exactly? Have you been able to identify Mrs Kelly?
<i>She lived in the Yuelba area from about 1901.</i>
Again, sources?
It's interesting to look at births for this couple - I can see the marriage in 1915 (middle name Rowland), but the births trail says something else (parents names in brackets)
1908 Alice Byrnes (John Roland and Kate nee Ryan)
1910 Hazel Ryan (Kate Ryan)
1914 Kathleen Ryan (Kathleen Ryan) - married as "Ryan known as Byrnes"
(Alice and Hazel Byrnes, sisters, are writing joint letters to Children's Corner in the Daily Standard in 1923)
Death records show also a 1971 death for Florence Upton, parents John Rowland Byrnes and Kathleen Ryan, possibly she was born later (past the freely available births?) Were there any more children you know of? Was there a reason for the delay to the marriage?
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Thanks for your reply. A daughter Florence was born 1905, but think she was registered under Taylor. You are correct that Kathleen and John married in 1915, my mother was born in 1916 and another son in 1921 (I think). The other children all came from the same union, but not sure about Florence.
Its what went on before this, I can't seem to find. Death cert for Kathleen states she was born in Walgett nsw in 1879 but I can't find evidrnce of this. She died before I was born and my mother never spoke of her. I think she may have been married before and had other children. Carey and Taylor seems to pop up. She was 35 when she married John and he was 65!! He had 10 children from his first marriage.
I have been searching for her past for a long time with no luck.
Many thanks for your reply and anything else u could suggest.
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Interestingly the only Daniel and Elizabeth Ryan having children in NSW at the right time are in Cooma, married 1872 (Elizabeth's maiden name is Shepherd), and they have 10 children between 1875 and 1895 but no Kathleen (or similar). :-\
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Maddy
Thanks for the reply. I found these before, but I dont think they are mine. WALGETT was on kathleens deaths cert as the place of birth.
Appreciate your input :)
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No worries. I only meant to say that as death certificates are notoriously inaccurate (only accurate so far as the person reporting knows), that something is not right - either the names, age or place. I know it doesn't help you much though!
Also noted a few births in Queensland for Catherine/Kathleen Ryan with no father noted from about 1891 to 1899 - did you think some/any of these might be your Kathleen's? (I know 1891 sounds a bit early if she was born in 1879, however again, if only going by a death certificate, age could be a bit fluid.
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Many thanks for your input, I will keep plugging on! :)
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....and another son in 1921 (I think).
Son John was born in 1920.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=37222
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2192674/BYRNES,%20JOHN%20ROLAND%20MCGINLAY
BYRNES.— In loving memory of QX38201Trooper John Rowland Byrnes, died of illness in New Guinea, 9th February, 1943. Inserted by Kathleen, Gordon, & John Butler, Surat.
BYRNES. — In loving memory of QX3823 Trooper John Rowland Byrnes, died of illness in New Guinea, 9th February, 1943. Inserted by Hazel & Walter Harris & Family, Surat.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/42012961
In Queensland, service personnel from both world wars were included in the registered deaths (prefix 'F' for WW1 and 'S' for WW2).
1943
S1043
John Roland MacGinley BYRNES
Parents: John Roland BYRNES & Kathleen TAYLOR
Do you have the birth cert for Florence born in 1905? Was she born in Yuleba?
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra
No I do not have a bc for Florence, and I don't think her family has either, but I did find a Florence to mother Catherine Taylor in 1905. She is a mystery indeed. She could not read or write so hence the different names ;)
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Kathleen Ryan also known as Byrnes, Kate Ryan, Catherine Ryan, Catherine Taylor married John Roland Byrnes in Yuelba Qld on 15/11/15. roxy51 in May 2016 was looking for information concerning her antecedents. Kathleen Ryan died on 7/6/47 at Toowoomba Qld. Her father was Daniel Ryan and mother Elizabeth Moore. She had six children including Daisey Byrnes born in 1917. Kathleen Ryan was alleged to be born in Walgett NSW in 1879. Unable to find any records or trace her birth parents and antecedents. It would appear Kathleen was my grandmother.
If roxy51 is still a RootsChat member we can share valuable information.
Looking for assistance.
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Hello sharks67
I am still looking for details of Kathleen Ryan. I am also her granddaughter. Any assistance would be very appreciated. What side of the family are you from?
Cheers
Roxy :D
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Roxy.
What I know is confusing however here we go.
Kathleen Ryan died on 7 June, 1947 at Toowoomba Qld. Married on 15 November, 1915 at Yuelba Qld. Reference C3741. Born 1879 Walgett, NSW. Parents Daniel Ryan and mother Elizabeth Moore. Husband either John Roland Byrnes or John Rowland Byrnes. Had the following children. Kathleen Byrnes, John Roland McGinty Byrnes. Alice Byrnes, Daisey Byrnes, Hazel Byrnes and Florence Byrnes.
More confusing. There is a Patrick John Byrnes born 21/12/1883 his father, John Roland Byrnes and mother Sarah Jane or Sarah June O'Brien. Australian Birth Index 1788-1922-Registration No 000041 Page 2085. John Byrnes also known as Patrick John Byrnes.
On 1/1/1912 married Elizabeth Margaret Radford in Roma Qld. Died 21/8/1966 at Yuleba Qld.
According to archives and a family tree for Patrick John Byrnes the following are alleged to be associated:
John Roland Byrnes and Sarah Jane O'Brien married on 26/3/1872 and the following children are associated.
Kathleen Byrnes, Alice Byrnes, John Roland McGinty Byrnes, Daisey Byrnes, Hazel Byrnes are half siblings.
William Byrnes, Mabel Marcella Byrnes, Annie Isarella Byrnes, Mary May Byrnes, Marquerite Irene Elsie Byrnes, Leslie Thomas Byrnes and Harold Australia Byrnes are all siblings. There is also a Nora Agnes Byrnes who died on 28/4/1914.
Daisy Byrnes, my mother was born on 11/8/1917. Reference C10302.
My mother never discussed her antecedents and according to her was born in Junee NSW which is not correct. She nominated that her father was Byrnes however did not nominate Kate Ryan as being her mother. She never mentioned any family. This was also the approach my father adopted.
When time permits I will still make inquiries however confused.
Keep in touch.
Regards
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Sharks67
I think we have a problem here. Daisy is my mother as well. I don't know about you and obviously you don't know about me. Can you private message me. Roxy
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As I said there is a considerable amount of confusion regarding the Byrnes/Ryan family tree and antecedents. As a 1st time user how do I contact you privately. Regards