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I would appreciate help in the birth records of Joseph Baxter of Cossington and Jane Barsby of Rothley
per the following from Annie:
Joseph Baxter
Jane Barsby
31 Dec 1810
Rothley, Leicestershire
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M09628-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 592602
I am looking for his and her parents. There is a mention in the 1845 July Gentlemans Magazine of the death of a Richard Baxter,Esq. of Cossington, aged 73 who would be the right age. A possible father or uncle?
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Hi I have access to Cossington & Rothley Prs at Loughborough library. I may be in tomorrow.
Diddy
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Thanks Diddy,
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I have access to some Cossington burials and there are 3 Baxter's
Joseph Baxter 12 Nov 1822
John Baxter 2 Aug 1828
Richard Baxter 17 Jun 1845
Sorry no ages given
Carol
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Thanks Carol,
As my Thomas Baxter's father was still living in Leicester in 1846 the Joseph Baxter burial might be his father. I guess I need to see Joseph (born 1791)'s birth or baptism record to see the names of his parents. Thanks for the additional information. John would be another candidate for Joseph's father or uncle.
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Hi trewinb,
Cossington pr has the following;
Joseph Baxter baptism 25 July 1790 parents John & Elizabeth Baxter
Other children from couple
Catharine Baxter c 25 Dec 1781
Thomas Baxter c 1 April 1783
Elizabeth Baxter c 5 April 1785
Elizabeth Baxter c 23 Sept 1787
Elizabeth Baxter burial 21 March 1788
John Baxter c 28 March 1789 burial 11 June 1789
John Baxter c 7 May 1793
Elizabeth Baxter wife of John Baxter burial 30 June 1794
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Rothley Pr has the following
Jane Barsby c 28 Dec 1788 daughter of Edward & Elizabeth Barsby
There is a marriage in Rothley for Edward & Elizabeth
26 November 1782 by license
Edward Barsby of Rothley Temple to Elizabeth Hughes of this parish. Witnesses John Collins & Thomas Preston
Their children
Thomas Barsby c 12 Feb 1783 baptized with brother Edward
Edward Barsby c 12 Feb 1783 baptized with brother Thomas
Both Thomas & Edward burials same day again 27 Feb 1783 (infants)
Elizabeth Barsby c 11 Sept 1786
Edward Barsby c 2 Sept 1792
Thomas Barsby c 16 March 1796
Hope these help
Bunnygirl
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Saves me trip. Thanks bunny girl
Diddy ;)
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And a big thankyou to both of you, to Bunnygirl for the information and Diddy for the good intent.
I will have to mull through the information and sort out who is who, but it appears to give me another layer to my genealogy.
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These burials look like the same Barsby family
Edward Barsby buried 5 July 1823 aged 65
Elizabeth Barsby buried 21 April 1834 aged 74
Edward Barsby buried 2 Oct 1827 aged 35
All buried at Rothley
Carol
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Offer still stands for lookups
Diddy
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Thanks Diddy,
I'll establish what we have and plan the next assault. I am wondering how far back the Baxters were in Cossington.
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And thank you Carol for the Barsby burials.
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Diddy, Carol and Bunnygirl,
I think my next request should be the baptism of John Baxter (buried 02 August 1828), probably born circa 1770. His father's name may have been Joseph and he may be the Joseph who was buried in 1822. Joseph was always used in the family naming right down to my grandfather. The younger Joseph (b. 25 july 1790) appears to have been a member of the Rothley Baptist Chapel, where he may have met his wife Elizabeth Barsby. He may have been the Joseph Baxter who was thrown out for drunkenness and other disorderly behavior, which may explain their subsequent move into Leicester.
So I guess my next two requests would be: any baptism or marriage records for both John and Elizabeth Baxter of Cossington. We still do not have a maiden name for John's wife Elizabeth. And before we leave Joseph I still do not have a burial record for him and Elizabeth (nee Barsby) which would likely be St Margarets Parish in Leicester. He was living at 127 Belgrave Gate as late as 1846.
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I will now be away until after bank hols so will check posts when I return to see where we are.
Diddy
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Enjoy your bank holiday Diddy. I should note that I am also interested in Richard Baxter's family. While we have no Richards in our line, he both lived in Cossington and had a son whom he named Richard John Baxter. Although they appear to be of a different social level (Richard was an elector and had land holdings in Norfolk and Cambridgeshire and sent his son Richard John to Uppingham School) it seems that Cossington is too small a village for there to be no relationship. I know of the will he left and may be forced to spend money (gasp!) on an archive order to see whether it contains any gems.
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Found this marriage that looks promising
John Baxter & Elizabeth Warren 2 Sept 1781 at Barkby, Leicestershire (about 3 miles from Cossington)
Looking at the children that Bunnygirl gave you, their first child was Dec 1781.
Carol
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And before we leave Joseph I still do not have a burial record for him and Elizabeth (nee Barsby) which would likely be St Margarets Parish in Leicester. He was living at 127 Belgrave Gate as late as 1846.
Joseph and his wife Jane (not Elizabeth - easy to get the generations muddled!) are buried together in Welford Rd Cemetery, Leicester, in a grave which contains a number of other people who may well not be connected. (Note that Joseph was buried on the same day as two unnamd infants in the same grave).
If you're unfamiliar with the format, it's this:
Name; date of burial; age at death; place of death; parish; any other notes
Plot uA 702
GARRETT --- 1864 AUG 29 INF LYNDHURST STREET SAINT GEORGE SON OF EMMA
CANK --- 1864 AUG 29 STBN CAROLINE STREET SAINT MARGARET CHILD OF ANN
BAXTER JOSEPH 1864 AUG 29 age 75 BELGRAVE ROAD SAINT MARGARET
BAXTER JANE 1870 OCT 30 age 82 RUSSELL SQUARE SAINT MARGARET CORONER'S WARRANT
WILSON MAUD ETHEL 1896 DEC 9 age 9MTHS CRANE STREET LEICESTER
BATEMAN ANNIE 1935 JUL 31 age 78 WYGGESTON HOSPITAL LEICESTER
Given that a coroner's warrant was issued for Jane, I looked in the papers to see if there was anything about her death, but couldn't see anything.
Jane and Joseph are there in the 1851 and 1861 censuses btw if you have a look.
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Thank you (again) Carol and Annie. The questions seem to be answered faster than I can get back to my computer to check. I wonder if there was a typhoid outbreak at the time if multiple persons were quickly buried it is often the case.
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Thanks Annie,
I've been so careful with all of the Josephs and mixed up their spouses with mothers. Thanks for the reminder. I am now entering the data directly into my Wikitree file as soon as I have checked them.
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Extended family members?
1788, Settlement Certificate. Mountsorrel St Peter - Rothley
Joseph Barsby
Elizabeth Barsby
Sarah Barsby
NB there are settlement certificates for the surname Barsby in Mountsorrel St Peter dating as far back as 1703, the second parish being Kinolton, Notts
1800, Removal Order. Preston, Rutland - Cossington
Francis Barsby
Elizabeth Barsby
William, 5
Ann, 3
Henry, 1
1813, Removal Order. Alice Barsby, Rothley - Goadby
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Hi
I can't see a baptism or a marriage for John Baxter in Cossington. I have had a quick look at Rothley PR for about that time and there is a couple John & Catharine Baxter having children I think it was from 1755 and I can't see a John but they do have a Joseph. I will look later today in more detail. I did notice this in Rothley PR baptism for an Elizabeth Hughs 18 Feb 1750 parents William & Sarah and her brother Thomas Hewes 30 Dec 1748
Hope these help
Bunnygirl
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Hi
Marriages !!!
Barkby 25 Sept 1781 by Banns
John Baxter otp - Elizabeth Warren otp
Coleorton 30 Nov 1778 by Banns
John Baxter of Sapcote - Elizabeth Marsden otp
Bunnygirl
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Thanks Jomot and Bunnygirl,
I have seen removal orders before but am unfamiliar with a settlement order. I presume both indicate people living on the parish. The John and Catherine look promising. Lots to look into.
Bruce
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Rothley / Mountsorrel next door to one another along he old A6. St Peters was used for MOUNTSORREL south (next to Rothley ) Baps.
Diddy
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Thought you were away on Holiday Diddy. I was just on Googlemaps trying to get all of the locations clear in my mind. I had a similar problem in Cornwall with my Trewin ancestors. They lived nearer to the parish church in the adjoining parish than to their own parish church, then as they became dissenters, records for marriage and baptism were made in either of the two churches seemingly at random.
I just realized that my wife and I stayed in Rothley (at the Rothley Court Hotel) and drove through Cossington and the area while on holiday a few years ago without knowing that a branch of my family were from the area. I now have a better mental image of the proximities of the relevant parishes and Leicester.
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Well this is confusing Bunnygirl and Carol,
We already have a marriage record for John and Elizabeth (from Carol):
"John Baxter & Elizabeth Warren 2 Sept 1781 at Barkby, Leicestershire (about 3 miles from Cossington)"
and now we have another for the same month and year in Coleorton. Could this be a record of banns being read and refer to the same marriage?
And now one for Sapcote as well for 1778. I imagine John and Elizabeth were among the most common of names.
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The marriage at Coleorton was a different date 30 Nov 1778 saying he was of Sapcote. Thats how I read it anyway
Carol
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Yes of course, thank you Carol.
The first reference to the Barkby marriage from you gave 2 September 1781 and this one 25 September 1781. This is the confusion. Is one a typo or is the earlier date a reading of the bans three weeks prior to the marriage?
The Coleorton one seems much farther away geographically and in date from the first born.
Thanks again for all the help.
Bruce
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Hi Bruce
I've just checked the Phillimores marriage index, which is where I found the marriage, and it says
2 Sept 1781
Carol
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Just thought. The Phillimore marriage are online
http://ukga.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=ViewRec&DB=8&recid=218550V
Carol
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Thanks Carol,
Great having access to the Phillimore. I have used them before in Cornwall but he didn't cover the parish where most of my family lived. I guess the 2 could be a transcription error on his part. Have to check to see where the other date from Bunnygirl came from and determine which is most reliable. In the meantime I'll list it as September.
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Away from tomorrow. Both grandsons Plus other family here today though so no going to Library!
Diddy
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Hi
These are the children of John & Catherine Baxter from Rothley as promised
Hannah Baxter c 1 April 1756
John Baxter c 27 June 1757
Catherine Baxter c 3 Oct 1758
John Baxter Burial 20 June 1758 infant
John Baxter c 25 Jan 1760
Richard Baxter c 21 Jan 1762
Katherine Baxter Burial 9 Feb 1762
William Baxter c 25 June 1764
Joseph Baxter c 13 March 1765
Elizabeth Baxter c 19 Sept 1769
Abraham Baxter c 29 June 1772
Abrahan Baxter c 17 July 1774
Bunnygirl
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Thanks Bunnygirl,
The second John (b. 25 January 1760) certainly appears to be the right one. Poor Catherine. She seems to have been kept busy.
I was wondering where you found the Barkby marriage date for John and Elizabeth (25 September 1781) as this conflicts with the date transcribed by Phillamore (2 September 1781). Which do you think is likely to be the most reliable?
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Hi Bruce
These are the early Baxter's from Rothley as promised
Alice Baxter Burial 26 Dec 1563
Steven Baxter c 25 Dec 1563 father John
Jhon Baxter Marriage 14 Feb 1564 Joan Bakersfield (in Phillimores Battersbie)
George Baxter c 28 Dec 1565 father Jhon. Burial 29 Dec 1565
Steven Baxter burial 8 March 1565
Francis Baxter c 10 July 1567 father John
Jhon Baxter burial 24 Oct 1569
Cassender Baxter burial 10 Nov 1570
Robert Baxter c 16 April 1570 father William
Francis Baxter Marriage 27 Dec 1615 Agnes Gabrill
Hugh Baxter marriage 5 Feb 1633 Joane .....wor (this needs checking not in Phillimores)
Mary Baxter c 5 Jan 1631 Hugh & Joane
Catherine Baxter c 7 July1639 Christopher & Mary
William Baxter marriage 8 May 1645 Alice Blanckley
Jane Baxter c 28 June 1723 John & Elizabeth
Abraham Baxter c 17 May 1725 mother's surname Ellis
William Baxter c 3 Nov 1727 John & Elizabeth
William Hemsley marriage 31 May 1748 Jane Baxter
Elizabeth Baxter burial 15 Oct 1751
Then comes the children of John & Catherine Baxter which I have already sent to you.
Phillimores also has this marriage which I cannot see in PR
16 May 1633
Francis Baxter - Mary Teate
and this one which is different to PR
5 Feb 1633
Hugh Baxter - Anne Criswell
Kind Regards
Bunnygirl
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Thanks Bunnygirl,
This will take quite some time to absorb! I really appreciate all of the time and effort which you and the others have put in on my Baxter family. I could never have located all of this information (I have tried).
Hugh Baxter was a busy man, marrying two different women on the same day! Sometimes I wonder about Phillimore's accuracy.
Regards,
Bruce
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Hi
Yes you ned to get it checked on originals.
My Wills cd is only showing one that may be of interest to you
Archdeaconry Court 1823 Baxter Joseph (labourer) of Cossington
PR/T/1823/15/1-2 Administration Only
Available from Leicester Records Office.
Bunnygirl
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After a few weeks focusing on other work I am trying to get back into the Baxters of Rothley and Cossington. Going through all of the previous posts I seem to be at a dead end with John Baxter (married to Catherine). As their first child was born in 1756 I would guess that his birth year would be approximately 1730 to 1735. The Rothley records do not appear to have a John christened in this time period, nor do we have a marriage for himself and Catherine around 1755. Might he have been from an adjacent parish? Given the Baxters reappear earlier in Rothley I am inclined to keep looking there. I have found an earlier marriage in Phillimore:
John Baxter & Elizabeth Bunnes 24 Dec. 1722
Could these have been his parents
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Familysearch has a marriage for John Baxter & Catharina Hatterley at Rothley 28 Jun 1755, has this been ruled out?
Added: Just checked my marriage index CD and its recorded there as John Backester & Catherine Hetterley, both OTP, after banns.
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Thanks Jomot,
I do think it is a possibility. It works phonetically, geographically and chronologically. Is this from the parish records? No mention of parents or witnesses? I just went through the Phillimore Rothley listings this morning and must have missed that one. Too focused on exact spelling.
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Is this from the parish records? No mention of parents or witnesses?
The familysearch information is a transcript of the Bishop's Transcript. The information on my CD is taken from the PRs but there is no additional information I'm afraid.
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Thanks Jomot, I have now seen the record in Phillimore's. You did mention an alternate version of the name of Catherina Hatterley. Where was this from? Must be the same person.
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The spellings John Baxter & Catharina Hatterley were from the Familysearch transcripts of the BT's. The spellings John Backester & Catherine Hetterley were from the LRFHS transcripts of the PRs.
There seems to have been numerous spellings of the surname, although most seem to begin with 'He' rather than 'Ha'.