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Title: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: squawki11 on Monday 23 May 16 07:29 BST (UK)
Ann appears in the 1891 census as a pauper, mother in law to a James (Henry?) Shillabeer and thence, supposedly, mother of his wife. Emily (Louisa?) Bowden. So far I have found no trace of Ann Tury outwith this one record. It raises a few questions with me: have I found the correct Emily Bowden (1861 census suggests William & Susanna as ELB's parents); have I found the correct Shillabeer family with James & Emily the parents of Harold WJ Shillabeer....Anybody able to enlighten me, please?
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 23 May 16 07:54 BST (UK)
The surname of Ann looks more like Jury
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 23 May 16 07:57 BST (UK)
1881
Ann Jury   66 widow bn Chudleigh
Saml. Johns   32 - Lodger widow bn Tavistock
Emily Johns   9 - dtr bn Chudleigh
Wm. Johns   7 - son bn Chudleigh
Frederick Johns   5 - son bn Chudleigh
James Shillabeer   22 - lodger bn South Brent
RG11 /2159 f30 p12
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 23 May 16 09:07 BST (UK)
There is a baptism of an Emily BOWDEN at Chudleigh, 27 Jun 1860, daughter of Abraham and Anne.

Samuel JOHNS married Agnes SHILLABEER in 1871. She might be the Agnes baptised at South Brent in 1853, daughter of William and Mary.

According to a tree on Ancestry, James Henry SHILLABEER a son of William and Mary married Emily BOWDEN. James Henry was baptised at South Brent in 1858.

Abraham BOWDEN died in 1865, and there is a marriage of an Ann BOWDEN in 1872 to a William JURY, which is a possibility.

1871 - 47/2075/69/11
Chudleigh
Ann BOWDEN, head wid 54, Laundress, born Chudleigh
John BOWDEN, son unm 22, Aglab, born ditto
Emily BOWDEN, dau unm 10, born ditto
Elizabeth ?? (can't read it), grand dau 1, born Newton Abbot

Ian C
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 23 May 16 09:25 BST (UK)
1861
Clifford St, Chudleigh
Abraham BOWDEN, head mar 55, Labourer born Chudleigh
Ann BOWDEN, wife mar 45, born ditto
William BOWDEN, son unm 25, labourer, born ditto
Harriett BOWDEN, dau unm 17, Dressmaker, born ditto
John BOWDEN, son unm 14, labourer, born ditto
Mary BOWDEN, dau 10, born ditto
Emily BOWDEN, dau 9mths, born ditto

Abraham BOWDEN, otp
Ann CAUSLEY, otp
were married by banns with consent of Ann Causley's parents 12 Jul 1835

Ian C
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 23 May 16 09:45 BST (UK)
Emily and James had five children
Harold William John 1883
Reginald George 1886
Florence Agnes 1888
Mabel Annie 1894
Fred 1898

A few trees on Ancestry with them all.

Ian C
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: squawki11 on Monday 23 May 16 17:04 BST (UK)
Many thanks for all the suggestions. I'll try and follow up the "Jury" lead. It looks promising. It will then be a case of rationalising Emily's dob...I like to aim for a measure of accuracy, at the very least, but maybe tilting at windmills and coping with Ancestry's innumerable transcription errors is a bit too much?
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: DOB7 on Monday 23 May 16 18:15 BST (UK)
Chudleigh baptisms are available via GenUKI at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Chudleigh - an Ann CAUSLEY was baptised there 17 Sep 1815 (born 5 Sep 1815) base child of Ann CAUSLEY.
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: squawki11 on Monday 23 May 16 18:57 BST (UK)
Bingo!! Thanks to the "Jury" pointer it looks as though Ann Jury started out as Ann Hammacot who married Abraham Bowden. 1851 census has a James Hammacott as brother in law to Abraham Bowden. So that gives me Abraham Bowden & Ann Hammacott as Emily's parents.  I'm unsure that the James Shillabeer who married Emily was the 1881 lodger...but I suppose it's more than likely. There is another Hammacott, grand-daughter to Ann in 1871 census. So out goes Emily Louisa! It's all those loose ends...
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: squawki11 on Monday 23 May 16 19:00 BST (UK)
...but the Causley link could prove me wrong and further up a gum tree...
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 23 May 16 21:18 BST (UK)
Emily's parents were Abraham BOWDEN and Ann CAUSLEY. Emily's sister Mary married William HAMMACOTT in 1870, so would be parents of the Elizabeth aged 1 in 1871 whose surname I could not read.

Ian C
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: squawki11 on Tuesday 24 May 16 16:51 BST (UK)
Yes, you are correct. It seems as though Ann being "base born" arrived before William Hammacott married Anne Causley c.17th Feb 1818, Chudleigh...and I am assuming he was the father...and there may well be no proof. Yet another supposition  ::). I also think but cannot prove that Abraham Bowden was a son of Abraham Bewden and Frances Briant/Bryant...Such is FT guess work  - akin to divining...
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: chinny on Thursday 18 August 16 10:10 BST (UK)
Hi If you're searching for 'Shillabeers' from Devon like me here a website I found and hope it can help you ???
      http://www.geocities.ws/kevin1brownuk/Shillabeer.html
                           
                                              Kevin
Title: Re: Ann Tury born Chudleigh c.1816
Post by: squawki11 on Friday 19 August 16 16:16 BST (UK)
Many thanks to all for your help and to "Chinny" for presenting me with so many more "Shillabeers", more than I think I have time left to digest!