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Hi,
What information would be on a death cert from 1893 ish?
Thanks
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See http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm
Stan
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Hi,
What information would be on a death cert from 1893 ish?
Thanks
Name and Place of Death. Cause of Death. The Informant of the Death, and possibly Burial information.
I've found them useful to purchase, as I've sometimes found a daughter's married name from them etc. And it's interesting to see what carried your relatives off!
Romilly.
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and possibly Burial information.
Is this correct? I've never seen burial information on a death certificate :-\ At least not on an English one :-\
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and possibly Burial information.
Is this correct? I've never seen burial information on a death certificate :-\ At least not on an English one :-\
See Attached snippet from my late Uncle's Death Cert. Definately English btw.
Romilly.
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You can download a Guide to Death Certificates including an example of a pre 1969 death certificate under What information will I see on a birth, marriage or death certificate? at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know.asp
Stan
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Date and place of birth (if known)
Occupation or sometimes occupation of husband (if a married woman)
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and possibly Burial information.
Is this correct? I've never seen burial information on a death certificate :-\ At least not on an English one :-\
See Attached snippet from my late Uncle's Death Cert. Definately English btw.
Romilly.
Surely that is that is the address of T Sando the informant.
Stan
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Causing the deceased body to be buried means he was not just registering the death, this is the person who is giving the instructions to the undertaker and was doing the funeral arrangements.
Stan
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Causing the deceased to be buried is his qualification to be an informant, surely.
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Causing the deceased body to be buried means he was not just registering the death, this is the person who is giving the instructions to the undertaker and was doing the funeral arrangements.
Stan
In other words Qualifications to be the Informant. In the list of persons qualified to be an Informant.
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Causing the deceased body to be buried means he was not just registering the death, this is the person who is giving the instructions to the undertaker and was doing the funeral arrangements.
Stan
In other words Qualifications to be the Informant. In the list of persons qualified to be an Informant.
I think Stan is already well aware of this.
He was simply explaining the term 'causing the body to be buried' which was shown in the example Romilly gave.
See Attached snippet from my late Uncle's Death Cert. Definately English btw.
As Stan has said, that is the address of the informant, nothing to do with the place of burial.
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What information would be on a death cert from 1893 ish?
The assumption is that you're referring to an English death certificate, is this the case?
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One of the qualifications to be the informant is
"the person making the arrangements with the funeral director"
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Causing the deceased body to be buried means he was not just registering the death, this is the person who is giving the instructions to the undertaker and was doing the funeral arrangements.
Stan
Southern Grove Stepney was a former Workhouse, but in 1957 was run by the L.C.C as a Hostel for single homeless men. I believe that Father Sando worked at the Hostel. The Death Cert does say 'Causing the body to be buried', i.e rather than cremated. I've spent ages looking for a Burial for Ernest Rencella Wilson, Born Swansea 8/8/1897, Died Stepney, London 5/12/1957. However, I can't find one:-(
Romilly.
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The phrase 'causing the body' either to be buried and more frequently today cremated, can infer that the informant wasn't the next of kin or close kin.
The phrase is generally used by hospital or nursing home staff, neighbours, solicitors and in the case illustrated the local priest.
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Thanks Dawn,
For the explanation.
Romilly
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The phrase 'causing the body' either to be buried and more frequently today cremated, can infer that the informant wasn't the next of kin or close kin.
The phrase is generally used by hospital or nursing home staff, neighbours, solicitors and in the case illustrated the local priest.
Causing the body to be buried (or cremated) is at the bottom of the list of qualifications required for an informant on a death registration. A person shown under this category would not be a relative.
It would be chosen where there is no family and the death is being registered by an executor/ solicitor, or a friend or neighbour but these days it is also often used to allow a cohabiting (unmarried) partner to register the death of their loved one.
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The phrase 'causing the body' either to be buried and more frequently today cremated, can infer that the informant wasn't the next of kin or close kin.
The phrase is generally used by hospital or nursing home staff, neighbours, solicitors and in the case illustrated the local priest.
Or by the Local Authority, perhaps?
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One I have for a male from the mid 1840s is very sparse. Even the informant is not a family member, just a nurse - present at death. Although he was married and I have no reason to suppose they were estranged, because he provided well for his wife in his will.
I have always found far more useful information on DC of a female than a male. Under occupation it will often give wife/ widow of.... or daughter of ..... (if spinster).
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The commonest cause for the informant is 'present at the death', usually a family member of course, and occasionally an unexpected one. When that is not the case - as maybe for a widow living alone - it may have been a nurse or 'carer', which can mean that the quoted age is several years out, as was the case with my gt-grandmother in Ireland.
I have another Victorian certificate giving the age as 77-3/4 (three-quarters). Unusually precise. Maybe she was very proud to have reached it, but it doesn't tally exactly with the birth data, about a year out.
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Most usual info contained is: name/address of deceased (or place where he died) cause of death, if a time period is given eg; 14 days. This means that the deceased was under medical supervision/treatment for the 14 days prior to his death. Name and address of informant and if present at death. Ages of deceased can be misleading as sometimes the informant doesn't actually know the precise age so he might guess. So always take the age 'with a pinch of salt.
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Here's a modern copy of an original example. I think it's quite informative.
PatB.
Moderator comment: full certificate removed, sorry. Small portions only are allowed for deciphering purposes
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In my experience, the first thing prior to visiting the register office, is that a medical certificate of death is given to the next of kin (or potential informant) in a special printed envelope. Helpful information is given on what information the registrar will ask of the Informant. That should give the informant time and opportunity to find out the date of birth if they do not already have that.
But yes, I recognise that if you are registering the death of an auntie or uncle you may nt have all the correct information at your fingertips.
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Here's a modern copy of an original example. I think it's quite informative.
If possible, it may be better to use the original image (which is what one gets now), not a typed or handwritten copy. My wife and her cousin independently got written copies of an ancestor's death cert; one said he was a Tanner, the other a Farmer. In the end the cousin was allowed to look at the original certificate to make his own choice (in favour of the Tanner).