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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Jan Prit on Saturday 14 May 16 09:28 BST (UK)
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Hello, saved this death registration transcription of Mathew McElroy thinking it was my ancestor who came from Louth Dundalk, his wife is a Alice Weir, they married in Ireland lived about 40 years in NSW colony, place of birth just Ireland, his profession a Cooper the same as my ancestor Mathew. Children of this marriage Charles 45years, Mary Jane 41years,Eliza 40years, Alicia 37years. Wonder if my ancestor Mathew McElroy went back to Ireland perhaps after wife Sarah passed on, and then he married Alice Weir and came back to Australia the year of birth around 1794 very close. :-[
Janet :-\
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Difficult to help without knowing when this Matthew McElroy died so that we can work out approx. date for marriage :-\
Civil registration of Catholic marriages began 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic ones) so before those dates you'd need to see if a church record survives.
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hello aghadowey, thanks for your help, The Mathew who married Alice Weir died on the 11/5/1878 and buried on the 12/5/1878 at Necropolis Rookwood, certified by Charles son, Albion Street Sydney, I am not sure if they are Catholic or not. :-[
Janet :-[
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Don't know if you have this transcript of their marriage.
Very little information on it I'm afraid.
10-Aug-1828
Parish / District: DRUMRAGH County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: Mathew McElroy Alice Weir
Address: Omagh Omagh
Occupation: UNKNOWN UNKNOWN
Age:
Status:
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Unknown McElroy Unknown Weir
Address:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown
Address:
Notes:
MARRIED IN THE PARISH OF DRUMRAGH.
annclare
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1660
http://www.billmacafee.com/17centurydatabases.htm
there are several Weirs and McElroys in Co Tyrone but not in this parish
1796
Flax Growers Of Ireland
http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/tyrone.php
the nearest was
M'Elree Michael Drumragh Tyrone
M'Elree Widow Drumragh Tyrone
1830
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-drumragh.php#.VzeRWWOoc5Q
McIlroy, Chas. T: Cavanaca Upper Y: 1830
Weir not found
Griffiths valuation some 30 years later for the same parish has neither name
if Charles was the father of Matthew and a grandchild also of the same name you might be in luck, proving will be difficult.
the originals of tithe-applotment-books are in Belfast at the PRONI. access is limitedto visitors only or paid researchers etc. the information is very limited see the 26 counties tithes at the the national archives http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp and try a few surnames
good luck
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Thanks so much for your information, I have checked my other Mathew McElroy he married Sarah McGoveran on 2/3/1824 St. Mary's Church by Rev.Thierry, and he Sarah and daughter Maryann were listed in the 1828 Census a publican living in York Street, Sydney N.S.W. Australia. I don't think its the same person now. :'( I thought I found the right one. :-[
Janet :-\
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Trying to find my ancestor Matthew McElroy from Dundalk Louth, 1794 bap, in 1828 Census with Sarah wife and daughter Maryann aged 7, what is the best way to search for both their burial dates if stayed in N.S.W. or their immigration dates if they went back to Ireland, very confused and lost. :'(
Janet :-[
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Trying to find my ancestor Matthew McElroy from Dundalk Louth, 1794 bap, in 1828 Census with Sarah wife and daughter Maryann aged 7, what is the best way to search for both their burial dates if stayed in N.S.W. or their immigration dates if they went back to Ireland, very confused and lost. :'(
Janet :-[
Why do you think Matthew & family might have returned to Ireland? It's far more likely they stayed in Australia or even moved to New Zealand. Have you checked online newspapers for details like obituaries or death notices? Searched for deaths in each area of Australia (N.S.W., Victoria, etc.) and then N.Z.?
I see that you've an earlier topic looking for 'Matthew' in Co. Louth but you haven't meantioned here that he was a convict (therefore probably more unlikely to return) and also known as Michael.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=247907.msg1362034#msg1362034
Another topic also on Louth board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=246440.msg1350529#msg1350529
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Thank you aghadowey I have searched the BDM. in N.S.W. Victoria. and Queensland no luck with this search, have no idea if they stayed in N.S.W. or moved as they aren't in the 1841 Census for N.S.W. :'(
Janet :-[
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I am trying to find the 1841 or later Census in N.S.W. Australia for Matthew McElroy the one that married Alice Weir in Ireland, I tried on Ancestry and the other Matthew comes up all the time in 1828 with Sarah and MaryAnn, having no luck with this family. :'(
Janet :-X
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N.S.W.
Since 1841, no census survives. A number from the last century were lost in a major fire, and none from this century has been retained, apparently for reasons of protection of privacy, and a fear that failure to do so would put the accuracy of the census in doubt.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/census.html
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Thanks aghadowey for your help what about 1851 Census for N.S.W. :-[
Janet :'(
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Did you read the bit I quoted for N.S.W.?
Since 1841, no census survives. A number from the last century were lost in a major fire, and none from this century has been retained, apparently for reasons of protection of privacy, and a fear that failure to do so would put the accuracy of the census in doubt.
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Hello aghadowey I live in N.S.W. Australia and we do have Census taken.
Janet ::)
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You don't seem to be reading what I posted correctly :-\
No N.S.W. census 1841 onward is available- some lost in a fire, others more recent because of privacy reasons will not be released.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Australia_Census
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Hello, Your in Luck or I'm in luck...Matthew & Alice are my GGP X4.
I have a drop Box link Doc. for what I have got....however I never knew Alice/Alicia's name or where they came from in Tyrone....this stuff you all have is fantastic...if you know any more please post.
I am a learner on this...but I'm sure I am correct.
From your information I have corrected my Doc & Link below...!
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Hello John, great to receive your message I wish we were connected as finding my Matthew and Sarah is very hard. :'( I will try and send my information to you. :-[
Janet :-[
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Thank you aghadowey I have searched the BDM. in N.S.W. Victoria. and Queensland no luck with this search, have no idea if they stayed in N.S.W. or moved as they aren't in the 1841 Census for N.S.W. :'(
Janet :-[
Matthew McElroy died in Paddington NSW in 1878 and his wife Sarah died in Camperdown NSW in 1861
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Hello, I will post again what I have on Matthew McElroy & Alice Weir.
Matthew McElroy aged 30 & Alice Weir (also known as Alicia) “Mcilroy or McAlroy or McAhoy” arrived on the 1st free immigrant ship to the Australian Colonies (known as Bounty System immigrants), arriving on the vessel “Adam Lodge” in 1837 from Londonderry, Ireland to Port Jackson. The passenger list selected families specifically for their trade skills.
The Family were Catholic’s from Tyrone County Ireland.
Matthew & Alice Weir were listed as married 10th Aug 1828 in Omagh- Drumragh Parish- Tyrone, Northern Ireland.... I suspect they were town dwellers living somewhere around High St.
They may have left with 4 small children...a son Matthew aged 14 months died the day they arrived in Port Jackson after a 106 sea day journey. Sarah (died unmarried in 1861 aged 28 ) Mary Jane (unknown- was living unmarried in the Rocks, Sydney in 1852)
The youngest daughter Elizabeth (may have married Frederick Wilson in 1865, 7 children).
Charles McElroy was born about 1840, the only male to survive out of 3 boys.
The family may have 1st lived at Surry Hills, then later to Pitt St, then to James st off South Head Rd (now known as Foley St Darlinghurst at Taylors Square) by 1852.
Matthew McElroy died 11th May 1878 living in Albert st Paddington aged 78 Years old.
A curiosity is Matthews death certificate has his children ages all over the place !
However I did note in research on Trove Newspapers there was a link to a unrelated McElroy Family to mine with a Sarah living at Surry Hills..(a death notice I think, to long ago to recall but it is there).
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Thank you for that information.
It appears then that the death info on ancestry.com.au for the Matthew McElroy in my family (born in Ireland in about 1784, married to Sarah McGoveran, father to Mary Ann) is incorrect. Or else he also died in Paddington the same year your Matthew McElroy died... Which of course seems unlikely. I will have to find out if there was a reference for that. I don’t recall seeing a death notice or cert. thanks again.
(Matthew and Sarah McElroy are my 5th great grandparents)
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Happy to Offer this..to give you certainty in your research..
NSW DEATH REGISTRATION TRANSCRIPTION REF NO: 1878/3168
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NAME Matthew McElroy
DATE OF DEATH 11th May 1878
PLACE Albert Street, Paddington
RANK OR PROFESSION Cooper
SEX AND AGE Male, 78 years
CAUSE OF DEATH General debility from old age, 3 months
CERTIFICATION FH Quaife
DATE LAST SEEN 10th instant
FATHER Not known
OCCUPATION Not known
MOTHER Not known
INFORMANT Certified by Charles McElroy, son, Albion Street, Sydney
REGISTRATION Hy Gale, 13th May 1878, Paddington
DATE OF BURIAL 12th May 1878
PLACE OF BURIAL Necropolis
UNDERTAKER C Kinsela
MINISTER AND RELIGION No entry
WITNESSES C Kinsela Jnr and John Ivers
PLACE OF BIRTH Ireland
TIME IN AUST COLONIES About 40 years in this colony
PLACE OF MARRIAGE Ireland
AGE AT MARRIAGE About 30 years
NAME OF SPOUSE Alice Weir
CHILDREN OF MARRIAGE Charles 45 years, Mary Jane 41 years, Eliza 40 years, Alicia 37 years living, 2 males and 1 female dead
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Thanks. I’m going to remove the details that have been added on acestory.com.au I don’t know who added them but they clearly aren’t correct.
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Morning mchadwick great that you are connected to Mathew and Sarah, they are very hard to find, so many entries on Ancestry are wrong and won't correct their mistakes. I am trying to complete my ancestors at the moment but its hard with one good eye and very tiring, now the computer is playing up. Keep in touch. :-[
Janet :-[