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has anybody any idea if james sudlow 1808 married to Margaret cooke had any brothers or sisters and who were his parents, thank you.
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Margarets signature on the marriage looks like Coope - marriage is 1828 for anyone looking ;)
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one of their children appears to be Thomas coop sudlow born 1834 so it is likely margarets name is coop/e rather than cooke
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There is a baptism that would fit James but it is in Cheshire
James Sudlow
05 Jun 1808
Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire
Father John Sudlow
Mother Frances
There are other christenings for children of this couple on familysearch including some in Manchester with parents with the same names ;)
https://familysearch.org/search/
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Thank you for your PM regarding Margarets surname. What information do you have that the surname is definitely Cooke.
BT's which are a transcript and therefore possibly incorrect say Cooke. The marriage document is clearly Coope with Margaret's signature also Coope - she also signed as 'Margret '
The baptism of their son Thomas in 1834 has his middle name as 'Coop' and his burial in 1835 it is 'Coupe' :-\
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Burial;
MARGARET Sudlow, age, birth c 1809
24 July 1842, Prestwich, Lancaster, England
(Familysearch.Org)
Baptism;
9 Feb 1806, Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire (birth 12 Oct 1805)
Margaret COUPE, Parents THOMAS/SARAH
Siblings Hannah Coupe 1803/Benjamiin Coup 1804
(FreeREG)
Marriage;
8 April 1802
Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas COUPE to Sarah WHITE
(Familysearch.Org)
Seems a possible for me as James/Margaret name a Son Thomas Cope Sudlow.
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Reply received from Ro net by PM ;D
thanks again. I have Margaret cooke 1809/1842. married name sudlow. 4 children, one Thomas 1839 married Hannah sykes then had children mary Hannah 1863,elizabeth1865,and Thomas 1867/1951. seems some confusion somrwhere about Margaret cooke/coop. I will look further and see .its james father im trying to find ,but ,yes I have to be right with info . cheers.
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Have you considered this baptism :-\
There is a baptism that would fit James but it is in Cheshire
James Sudlow
05 Jun 1808
Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire
Father John Sudlow
Mother Frances
There are other christenings for children of this couple on familysearch including some in Manchester with parents with the same names ;)
https://familysearch.org/search/
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I see his marriage certificate says he was a Hair dresser. There is an apprenticeship for a James Sudlow dated 1820 for a James Sudlow age 14 (a poor child) 'belonging' to the town of Manchester as a Hair dresser. At least we know he was resident in Manchester in 1820 ;D
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hi can anyone throw any light on a james sudlow 1808 and wife margaret sudlow[cooke] 1809/1842 . parents or any early family. poss john and frances ? children etc ? much appreciated thank you.
Topics merged.
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1841 entry for Ancoats - all b Lancashire
James Sudlow 33 hair dresser
Margaret 31
Elizabeth 9
Harriet 7
William 5
Thomas 3
HO107 576/1 Folio 5 Page 5
1861 entry shows birthplace as Manchester
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There is a marriage at Manchester Cathedral 13.2.1828 between James Sudlow (Hairdresser) and Margaret Coope
Witnesses look like Robert Fitton/Fulton and James Ross. Robert Fitton appears as a witness on several other marriage entries so was probably a church official or similar
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http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi
1838 Thomas Sudlow - mothers maiden name COOP registered Ancoats, Manchester
just to confirm CaroleW find of Coope as Margarets name - not Cooke as you thought
:)
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www.familysearch.org
baptism records
Mary Ann Sudlow 28th dec 1828 at Manchester Cathedral - James and Margaret parents
Ann 1st February 1830 same parents / cathedral
Elizabeth 27th july 1831 - James and Margaret - same Cathedral
Thomas Coop Sudlow 1st October 1834 same parents / cathedral ...presumably died as an infant
William 20th april 1836 same parents /cathedral
Thomas 7th feb 1838 same parents / cathedral
so - was Mary Ann working away from home at age 12 during 1841 census or has she sadly passed away ...second baby is also named Ann so possibly Mary Ann died young as well.
I couldn't find the baptism of Harriet - but they have her marriage
Harriet Sudlow
England, Manchester, Parish Registers
Name Charles Henry Dixon
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 27 May 1855
Event Place St Mary's Parsonage, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Gender Male
Age 22
Marital Status Single
Birth Year (Estimated) 1833
Father's Name John Dixon
Spouse's Name Harriet Sudlow
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 22
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1833
Spouse's Father's Name James Sudlow
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Thomas Coope Sudlow
Age 4 months
Burial 5 Jan 1835, Prestwich, St Mary
Father James Sudlow
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Thanks Mabel - how very sad - I wonder if James or Margaret buried Thomas in St Marys Prestwich because it was their family church ?...I don't know Manchester well - is Prestwich by Ancoats ?.....if not it would suggest one of them was from Prestwich before moving to Ancoats.
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there is a Mary Sudlow age 12 working as a servant in Blossom St Ancoats in 1841
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Hello
I can't add anything about James Sudlow at the moment, I'll have a look though. However, the John and Frances that you mention are in my tree and I don't think there is any connection to James.
I have run up a few blind alleys looking at Sudlows in Manchester. Mine were largely solicitors. There is another large Sudlow family that I followed. In my head I call them the musical Sudlows since one was organist in the cathedral and another was a professional violinist. But we had musicians and they had solicitors.
Anyway, I'll help if I can
regards
Suds
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Hello
I had a look but couldn't find anything conclusive.
In my family my earliest Sudlow ancestors are a pair of brothers who appear out of nowhere in Liverpool and Manchester in the 18th century. I suspect they come from Plemonstall (now called Plemstall) in Cheshire but I can't make the leap. Plemonstall is about 4 miles from Thornton le Moors which I suspect is relevant to your ancestry. But I suspect also, that you'll never make the leap either. It's very frustrating.
Nevertheless, we keep trying, it's part of the fun.
Regards
Suds
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Can you post the suspected brothers names please - they may be on Cprdb
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Hello
I'm a bit hesitant to hijack ro net's thread.
I don't believe Plemonstall is on the CPRdb yet. The brothers are:
Thomas Sudlow b approx 1765 based on age at death 1831 in Liverpool
John Sudlow b approx 1768 based on age at death 1811 in Manchester
I've looked quite a bit and the only two brothers I could find, born at the relevant times, are born in Plemonstall.
Thomas Sudlow became clerk to the treasurer of Liverpool Council.
I'm not sure what John Sudlow did but his son became a solicitor.
Regards
Suds
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Thomas Sudlow died 1831 - Liverpool
Burial: 20 Apr 1831 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Thomas Sudlow -
Age: 70 yrs
Abode: Knight Street,
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Burial: 16 Dec 1831 St Mary, Edge Hill, Lancashire, England
Thomas Sudlow -
Age: 66 yrs
Abode: Renshaw St. Liverpool
Buried by: Revd. Thos. W. Pale
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I presume yours is the aged 66 Thomas - did you know that there were 2 Thomas Sudlow deaths in 1831 in Liverpool ?
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Hello Garstonite
I'm not sure if I knew about the second burial in 1831 but I'm pretty certain that my Thomas Sudlow is the one who lived in Renshaw Street. I can't lay my hands on the definitive proof just now but you can track him in various directories and via the birth of his children.
I have his will and a newspaper report where the council, having been informed of his death, appoint his son John (my ancestor) as his replacement and John's brother William as successor to John as deputy. Incidentally, it is this William Sudlow who founds the Liverpool Philharmonic alyhough he doesn't cover himself in glory a few years later when he makes off with some of the funds.
Regards
Suds