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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Tracey Asteroid on Sunday 08 May 16 11:10 BST (UK)
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Well, my family tree comes to a dead stop at this couple.
My ggg grandfather was a man named Luis Ferdinand Le JUDGE, who was married to Elizabeth SKINNER in Victoria 1862. He was apparently born in Prussia in 1831 and the next piece of information I have for him is that he was naturalized in Victoria in 1861. I have applied for his naturalization records, which will hopefully tell me all about how he immigrated here, but while I wait for that I was hoping that someone with better German skills than me could please do a search and see if there was any information available online for Luis's birth and/or information about his parents.
I **think** Luis died in Albury NSW, Australia in 1886. No parents are listed on the registry though. And all I have to go on for the names of Luis's parents is some publicly available family tress that suggest his parents were named Ferdinand LE JUGE and Louisa MACHLINBURG, both born in Prussia in 1812.
Hopefully the naturalization papers will clear some of this up **crossing all my fingers and toes**. I understand that there may not be any information online about this family from Prussia, and that is OK.
Thank you for reading,
Tracey
Modified to add: I have seen LE JUGE spelt so many different ways. LEJUGE, LEJUDGE, LE JUDGE, LETUGE on Luis's wedding record.....
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Hi Tracey
For researches in Prussia or Germany it is important to know the exact place and date of birth and if he was catholic or lutheran (or another religion). Some of the lutheran churchbooks are online and there will come more of them online in the next months and years. You can find some of them at familysearch, some at archion and some at ancestry, but they are only viewable with an account there.
Regards
Svenja
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Thanks Svenja. I have no idea what religion Luis was. I will see if I can track down his original death record and see what I can find from that.
Thanks :)
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Hi there,
If you were to order an official transcription of the NSW BDM death registration you would learn the same information as recorded on the official registration itself. Official transcriptions are not as expensive and are recognised by most reliable family history groups and historians. The information on a NSW BDM registration can be quite informative, but it is informant driven, so it is only as reliable as the informant.
From the NSW BDM online INDEX I can see that the informant was not aware of the given names of either parent for your chap. I can also see that his age was recorded as 53. From that same website it is fairly easy to deduce the date of death, and he died in late November 1886. So likely he was born in 1883. The dc should like the names of his then living children, their then ages, and the gender of any children who had not survived. It should also list his wife, and details of their marriage, his cause of death, the person certifying that cause/s, length of illness, the name of the reverend conducting the burial, (sometimes the denomination), and the funeral director's details too, and the cemetery.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/tracing-your-family-tree.aspx
The index displays two indexed spellings for his surname Louis LE JUDGE / LEJUDGE aged 53 years, died Albury 23 Nov 1886 (date deduced from NSW BDM online) , death registered Albury. #6421
Cheers, JM
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Victoria's BDM records are very detailed and the historic images are downloadable immediately.
On the 1862 marriage you should expect to learn first hand information supplied by both the bride and the groom. The information includes family history info that should help you find Louis' origins. :)
The 1862 Vic BDM reference no. 3081. I have very few Vic ancestors, and so only a few images of Vic BDMs, but one is a marriage from the 1860s, and I can assure you that the groom was able to supply the correct information about his parents, his place of birth (naming the very small village) his mum's nee name, his age and his usual address. (Same level of info from his bride too). The couple were my great grandparents, and I obtained the mc simply to compare the signatures against the NSW BDM birth registrations of their 17 children :)
I would expect you will learn the following from your great great great grandparents Vic marriage of 1862:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
I think it is around $24 Au to download the image.
Cheers, JM
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It may not be relevant - but I would make a note of it anyway
www.geneanet.org
lejudge - NO RESULTS
lejuge - 19 results - BUT - they are actually Dit Lejuge and are all in France ...
could Louis Ferdidnand have been born Louis Ferdinand Dit Lejuge ??
I am not trying to take you off track - just something to consider
the family are mostly from
Sauxemesnil
Manche
France in 1700's - and Louis is a French name ?...worth looking at
ADDED- right hand column in blue
Lejuge discussions
Lejuge profiles
Lejuge Document
https://www.geni.com/surnames/lejuge
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can I suggest a little mistranscription
Luis Ferdinand Lejuge was born to Ferdinand Thomas Lejuge and Louisa - but her name wasn't Machlinburg -
a quote from a familytree on my heritage
Louis Le Juge was born in 1833, to Ferdinand Thomas Le Juge (born Murchlenburgh).we know it as Mecklenburgh
Louis married Elizabeth Le Juge (born Skinner).
They had 2 sons: Louis Le Juge and one other child.
Louis passed away.
of course we don't know if that tree is correct
Dreveskirchen, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany
try this town for Lejuge genealogy ..may be slight spelling differences
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I am going to download the wedding certificate. Hopefully that will have Luis's parents listed on it. That with the naturalization records should hopefully answer all my questions.
Thanks for the advice :)
I'll let you know what I discover.
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Hi Tracey, (with any luck) you have the naturalisation record and marriage certificate, or shortly will have, I know when I received my great grandfather's Australian naturalisation file from NAA it was extremely specific although he did have to apply 3 times before he was granted citizenship. The applications he had to complete asked for parents names, father's occupation, exact date of birth and place in Prussia, the ship he came from Germany on etc. Anyway a bit off topic, but have you searched http://trove.nla.gov.au newspapers, there are a lot of hits for a Louis Le Juge, one family notice in 1919 mentions a wife Elizabeth. Thought it worth a shot to maybe fill in some blanks during his life, Trove is just a wealth of info.
Cheers, Donna (Melb).
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I love trove, on occasion! I find it hit and miss with how I choose to spell things. I will try again though now that I know there is something in there. Thank you Donna.
State records has uploaded the pdf:
http://RecordSearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/AutoSearch.asp?Number=1815059&O=I
It was not a standard form applying for naturalization, but a letter to the Governor of Victoria (Sir Henry Barkly?) asking for naturalization under the act of council "Victoria 39".
The letter notes that he was 28 years of age, and a quartz miner. He arrived in the Colony of Victoria on the ship 'Gem of The Ocean' in 1854, and plans to settle for life in Australia. The letter is dated 7 June 1861 ( and I am reading it EXACTLY 155 years later) which makes his estimated date of birth 1833
:D I have the stupidest grin right now. How COOL IS THIS?!?!?!?!
Onto the wedding certificate:
Arrrgh! There is a stamp on it saying 'best quality image/damaged document'. I can't even read the names properly :(
Here is my best guess, and I might use the 'help with reading documents' forum at some point.
Date 11 August 1862 in the House of Andrew Ross Hungas......... (that is a really long name with unreadable letters)
Names unreadable, though I know what they are suppose to say and they sort of look like that.
Condition Bachelor and Spinster (yeah, THAT part was written clearly!)
Birth place Moningsberg/Houngsberg (???) Prussia and Hobart Town
Rank Miner (nothing for Elizabeth)
Age 29 and 19 (this matches for Ferdinand, but I suspect Elizabeth lied. Her birth record is in a list of births from 1845, so she would have been 17 in 1862.
Residence Present Queenstown and Queenstown
Residence Usual Milfrozen (??) and Queenstown
(So I am going to guess that they met on the goldfields here
http://www.goldgemtreasure.com.au/content_common/pg-head-queenstown-st-andrews-and-the-caledonia-goldfield.seo This is also supported by the fact that Elizabeth's younger brother Thomas died at these gold fields in 1860. I have written about the Skinner family previously, here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747976.0 )
Parents and occupation...
Ferdinand Le Juge, custom officer
Louisa, nee, Machlingburg (or Mich-fiss-brug according to what I can see)
Thomas Skinner, miner
Harriet, nee, Hutchisen
In the presence of Joseph Freitag (not sure about that "i") and Charlotte Ness
By David Boyd, Minister of the Presbyterian Church, according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of Scotland/Factland (why do running writing letters look the same??)
And a note written on the bottom of the certificate: The father of the bride gives his written consent.
Since I know now how Ferdinand arrived in Australia, which was the information I was after, I will cease this search for now. If I get a chance later, I may reopen the search by applying for Ferdinand's death certificate from NSW BDM.
Thanks for all the help :D
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I love trove, on occasion! I find it hit and miss with how I choose to spell things. I will try again though now that I know there is something in there. Thank you Donna.
State records has uploaded the pdf:
http://RecordSearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/AutoSearch.asp?Number=1815059&O=I
It was not a standard form applying for naturalization, but a letter to the Governor of Victoria (Sir Henry Barkly?) asking for naturalization under the act of council "Victoria 39".
It is in the form of a petition (a memorial) and it contains all the elements needed to seek naturalisation in accordance with the then legisative Act of (the Legislative) Council( in the 18th year of Queen Victoria's reign, with the Act being numbered) Victoria 39.
He sought to become a British Subject and a settler for Life in Victoria so he could enrol to vote :)
Here is the link to the digitised image of the 3 page memorial dated 17th June 1861, original held at the National Archives of Australia http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=1815059
JM
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,I saw a post by Tracy Asteriod and would like to contact her regarding Ferdinand Louis Le Juge