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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: tulipoo on Friday 06 May 16 09:51 BST (UK)
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Is there anyone who attends the records office fairly regularly who might be
wililng to undertake some straightforward searching and obtain a copy marriage certificate.
I have the relevant details and am prepared to pay in advance.
Please send me a PM.
Many thanks,
ian Fowler
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Hi Ian have you tried www.scotlandspeople.gov marriage images are available from 1855.1939 anything after that you can order the extract
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie17
I have an extract of the marriage certificate, but I need a "proper copy" and s ome
other little searches done. I need the copy to show the "real signatures.
I have now heard from someone who will probably undertake this for me.
Thanks again,
Best wishes,
Ian
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That's good news then good luck with your research
Rosie :)
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I am rather puzzled by this. If you already have an image of the marriage certificate from Scotland's People, what more are you expecting your helper to find for you?
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Thanks Rosie17
I have an extract of the marriage certificate, but I need a "proper copy" and s ome
other little searches done. I need the copy to show the "real signatures.
I have now heard from someone who will probably undertake this for me.
Thanks again,
Best wishes,
Ian
An "extract" IS a "proper copy". My birth certificate, provided when I was born, is headed "Extract" because it's an extract from the Register of Births. If you already have an extract then it would be a waste of someone's time to travel to GROS to get the same extract again and a waste of your money. If, on the other hand, what you actually have is a printed image from Scotlandspeople (ie GROS) then you can use that site to order an extract to be sent to you by post. However, unless I have misunderstood there seems a risk of you ending up with two of the same thing and , as, Forfarian has pointed out, it appears you already have all the information this record can provide.
Imber
Imber
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I think you might be wanting a copy of the original image from the parish register (which they will have signed themselves), which is not the same as a legal marriage certificate which is a transcription.
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I notice that Ian has not said the date of the marriage in question.
If it was before 1855, the parish register will not contain the signatures of the couple. In any case, you could download an image of the original entry at home so there is no need to go to an SP centre to view it.
If it was after 1854, as Imber has said, you will not get anything extra by going to the NRS if you already have an Extract.
If the couple were married after 1854, they may or may not have signed their names in a parish register. Never having seen such a register, I do not know. But if that is what you are hoping to see, the NRS is not where you will find it. You would have to track down the register of the church whose minister performed the ceremony. The GROS had no power to call in Church of Scotland parish registers after 1 January 1855, or to call in the registers of other denominations (Free and dissenting churches, Episcopal Church, Roman Catholic Church) at any time.
If the marriage was less than 75 years ago, you are not allowed to photocopy, photograph or save to a memory stick the image of the marriage certificate, so even if the certificate had the couple's original signatures, your helper would have no means of showing them to you.
My understanding of the process of registration is that the couple obtained from the Registrar a Schedule of Marriage. They, the witnesses and the minister completed and signed the Schedule and returned it within three days of the marriage to the Registrar. The Registrar then copied the details from the Schedule into a pair of duplicate Registers. At the end of the year he sent one Register to the GROS in Edinburgh, and retained the duplicate. The Register sent to Edinburgh is the source of the images on SP.
If you need what is generally referred to as a marriage certificate, you can apply either to the NRS or to the local Registrar, and what you will get will be a document with the formal title 'Extract Entry of Marriage'. They are usually typed these days, though before the advent of typewriters they were of course handwritten. (I don't think I have actually ever seen an 'Extract Entry of Marriage' as my parents' wedding was not in Scotland and I don't have any older ones.)
The Schedules of Marriage were also sent to Edinburgh, but I do not know whether or where they were stored, and if so for how long. As far as I know they are not available for research, but I would be happy to be corrected on that point if someone knows better than I do.
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If the marriage was less than 75 years ago, you are not allowed to photocopy, photograph or save to a memory stick the image of the marriage certificate, so even if the certificate had the couple's original signatures, your helper would have no means of showing them to you.
Regardless of the date, you are currently not allowed to save to a memory stick at the ScotlandsPeople Centre after the recent computer problems there. Printouts are allowed within the permitted dates.
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Whilst we're on the subject of Scottish marriages (sorry to hijack your topic Ian). Would I be able to get a copy of a marriage licence (Catholic) from 1962 and, if so, what information would it contain?
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You would be able to get a copy of the Extract of Marriage (commonly referred to as the marriage certificate) but you would have to order a copy as it's after the cut-off date for viewing online. The religious denomination makes no difference.
As for the information contained, see http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&628
I do not know anything about marriage licences. Not even whether or not they formed part of the process of marriage in Scotland in 1962.
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Thanks Forfarian. I've seen the marriage certificate, but I know that my grandad & his fiancée had to get a licence, presumably because the bride wasn't Catholic.
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Thanks Forfarian. I've seen the marriage certificate, but I know that my grandad & his fiancée had to get a licence, presumably because the bride wasn't Catholic.
That, then, must have been something to do with the internal procedures of the RC church, nothing to do with civil registration, and unlikely to be in the National Records of Scotland. You presumably know from the Extract of Marriage the name of the priest who performed the ceremony, and which church he was incumbent at. Try asking the office of whichever RC diocese that church is in.
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Thanks, I'll look into that.