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Title: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: Searching241 on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:12 BST (UK)
Looks like they moved around a lot. Charles, My great great grandfather was born in Dean Nothumberland,  moved with his parents to Kilbirnie, Scotland,  then to Whitehaven, back to kilbirnie, and ended up living in Newburn upon Tyne where he died.

Any info?

thanks

Joseph

Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:31 BST (UK)
what kind of info are you looking for??

there is a Charles Brisco who became a police constable in Wallsend

There is another Charles Brisco who died in Newcastle reg district in 1907

could you post some dates and what information you already have (e.g. census year bmd)

Suz
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: Searching241 on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:42 BST (UK)
its the 1907 one, married to Martha Warnock. 

Im trying to establish more about the family, I know there were many siblings but Ive been unable to work out how or why he was in Newburn. They seem to have moved around quite considerably.

if you have census info that would be great
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:42 BST (UK)
Is this the family at 84 George Street Whitehaven ? 1881

Joseph Briscoe   58 Helen N. Briscoe   52
Ann J. Briscoe   28 Charles Briscoe   22
David G. Briscoe   11 Mary H. Briscoe   9
Joseph Briscoe   3 grandson

RG11 Piece 5186 Folio 123 Page 28

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: Searching241 on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:44 BST (UK)
Yes it is! Do you know anything about them?
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:47 BST (UK)
RG12 Piece: 4314 Folio 107 Page: 17 - 1891  - 5 Wellington Row Whitehaven,

Joseph Briscoe   67 Widowed. Blast Furnace Man.
Charles Briscoe   33
Rebecca Briscoe   35 Daughter. Widowed.
David G Briscoe   21 Railway Porter.
Helen M Wilson   7 Granddaughter
Joseph Irvine   2 Grandson.
James Irvine   1 Grandson.

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:49 BST (UK)
1901 David Graham Briscoe is married living at 29 West Strand Whitehaven.  All children and his wife born Whitehaven.  David was born 16 April 1867 Kilbirnie, Ayr, Scotland - parents Joseph Briscoe and Helen Graham.

David G Brisco   34 Born Scotland. Railway Engine Stoker.
Sarah A Brisco   32
Mary A Brown   10 Step-daughter
Bessie Brown   8 Step-daughter
William Brisco   2
Rebecca Brisco   1

Can't transcribe the 191 for copyright reasons but think I can say he was still living in Whitehaven - you would find him on the free 1911 Index.

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: Searching241 on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:51 BST (UK)
amazing.... thankyou
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: Searching241 on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:54 BST (UK)
Do you think they may have been Jewish? Im curious because from photos and names it looks like it but the records I have suggest they were all christian.
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 17:56 BST (UK)
David Graham Briscoe passed away in Whitehaven aged 61 years 0 death registered June 1930 - 10b 703

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: JJen on Tuesday 03 May 16 18:00 BST (UK)
1871 with more Brisco's  :)

Joseph Brisco   47 Labourer
Helen Nelson Brisco   42
Ann Jane Brisco   11
William Brisco   19 Lab Headsman
Rebecca Brisco   15 Linen Thread Worker
Charles Brisco   13
Esther Brisco   11
Elizabeth Brisco   8
David Graham Brisco   2

Balgray Road, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire

All born in England other than David Graham, born in Scotland and Helen born Gretna, Dumfriesshire.

JJ
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 18:08 BST (UK)
1861 Dean Cockewrmouth Registration District.

RG 9 Piece 3938 Folio 6 Page 5

Joseph Briscoe   37 Eleanor N Briscoe 31
Ann Jane Briscoe   8
William Briscoe   7
Charles Briscoe   5
Rebecca Briscoe   3
Esther Briscoe   1

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 18:19 BST (UK)
Ann Jane Briscoe - baptised 24 Oct 1852 - Parish Liverpool, Lancashire, England - Bishops Transcripts - Joseph Briscoe - Mother Ellen Briscoe. Birth registered Q3 July, August, September 1852 West Derby Lancs 8b 296

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5P7-ZVY

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 18:28 BST (UK)
William Briscoe - Baptism 14 May 1854 - Dean,Cumberland - Joseph Briscoe and Ellen.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N54P-GXK

Free BMD shows possible birth records for Charles Briscoe - registered Sept 1857 - Cockermouth - 10b 431

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N54P-PVW

and Esther Briscoe registered March 1860 - Cockermouth - 10b 458

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N54P-54V

also an Elizabeth Briscoe at Whitehaven - registered March 1863 - Whitehaven - 10b 506

also Rebecca Briscoe - baptised 8 November 1855 - Dean Cumberland

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7SW-H6X



Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 03 May 16 18:31 BST (UK)
Ellen Nelson Briscoe (wife of Joseph) passed away Q3 - July, August, September 1890 - Whitehaven District - aged 60 years - 10b 381

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: Searching241 on Tuesday 03 May 16 18:43 BST (UK)
its like they never stayed in one place.....

thanks to all of you, Ive learnt a lot.
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 16:41 BST (UK)
1901 Census 3a Brackenthwaite  Whitehaven.

Rebecca Irving   43 Charwoman.
Joseph B Irving   12
James D Irving   11

This photograph might be of interest...............

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1619201163684&set=o.151311261559292&type=1&theater

Joseph Briscoe was at Wellington Row in 1891

http://www.whitehavenandwesternlakeland.co.uk/whitehaven/wellington-row.htm

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hkn/

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 17:17 BST (UK)
Noticed a probate record for James Daniel Irvine - passed away 8 May 1954 - probate London 19 June 1954 -

Passed away Marylebone Registration District - 5d 261

Sandra

Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 17:24 BST (UK)
Brother Joseph Briscoe Irvine born 9 August 1888 passed away December 1972 Lancaster Lancashire - 10c 1423

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 18:12 BST (UK)
Dorothy wife of James D Briscoe passed away 27 March 1957 Surrey - probate London 30 May 1957

Sandra

Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 18:25 BST (UK)
The son of James Daniel Irvine and Dorothy Farries mentioned in both obituaries was Keith Briscoe Irvine born 1928

Here is a piece in Wikipeadia about Keith born 14 Octoiber 1928 - Nairn, Aberdeen, Scotland who passed away in 31 May 2011 - Carmel, Putnam County, New York.
Obituary 5 June 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Irvine

Keith Irvine who passed away on May 31 aged 82, was a Scots-born interior designer whose career blossomed in the 1980s as rich Americans demanded the so-called “English country house look”.
Telegraph article with a photograph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/8566766/Keith-Irvine.html

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 18:26 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE entry

A private memorial celebration will take place on June 12, 2011.
Published in The New York Times on June 5, 2011.


http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=70944350&ref=acom

Cremated, Location of ashes is unknown.

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 18:32 BST (UK)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/arts/keith-irvine-82-eclectic-interior-designer.html?_r=0

http://www.bendbulletin.com/news/1417484-151/keith-irvine-interior-designer-dies-at-82

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hko/

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/decorator-series/2007/keith-and-chippy-irvine

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 19:06 BST (UK)
Keith appeared on a UK outward bound passenger list - the American Ranger - 1 st November 1957 -
born 14-10-1928 - single at that time - address 39 Brook Street London W1 - interior decorator -

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 19:14 BST (UK)
James Daniel Irvine and Dorothy Farries also had a daughter Margaret Willis Irvine - birth registered Whitehaven in Q3 of 1922 - 10b 1247


Margaret married George L Cambray - Q2 1947 - Surrey North Easternn -  5G 1001

George Lionel Cambray - passed away 6 December 2003 - Salisbury, England - aged 90 years - B61C - 795/1B - entry 154


Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 19:17 BST (UK)
James Daniel Irvine and Dorothy Farries also had the first born son - James 'Graham' Irvine in 1921 unfortunately died 7 September 1944 - RNAS East Haven - H.M.S. Peewit -  killed in a training (flying) accident.

Listed on UK Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve Lists -


FIND A GRAVE

Lieut James Graham Irvine - Burial Western Cemetery, Arbroath Angus.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=IR&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GScntry=50&GSsr=1&GRid=69449012&

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 19:28 BST (UK)
Probate for James Graham Irvine - died 7 September 1944 - probate Llandudno 1 February 1945

Sandra

Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 04 May 16 20:02 BST (UK)
Try the website http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html and you wil find some info on the wife of Keith Irvine Briscoe - Juliet Grime - known as Chippy Irvine. Chippy is a well known author in the USA.

http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: Searching241 on Wednesday 04 May 16 21:54 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra, You have provided me with so much information which I would never have found, thanks so much!

My great great grandfather died young and nothing is known about him, so now I know a lot more information about his background and family, and rebecca (his sister´s)  family.

Its so kind of you

Title: Re: Charles Brisco / Joseph Brisco / Helen Graham, Dean, Whitehaven and Kilbirnie
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 05 May 16 01:36 BST (UK)
Really pleased to have helped - amazing what you can find - I take it you had no idea that a branch had spurred off to the USA  ??? Which also means there are relatives in New York.

Sandra