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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: annecannes on Monday 02 May 16 05:02 BST (UK)
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A great-great uncle William Murray (another one!) born Airdrie in 1848 married Mary McKinnon born in Balfron Stirlingshire in 1852. Marriage cert from ScotlandsPeople - married on 8 August, 1873 in Govan. Also from ScPe. a birth certificate for Janet Turnbull Murray on 5 May 1874 in Barony. My problem is that in Census for 81, 91 and 1901 (and the correct family I believe) the eldest is Martha born either 73 or 74. I cannot find a matching birth record for her - nor can I find Janet Turnbull Murray in the Census. Janet Turnbull was William's mother and Martha was the name of Mary McKinnon's grandmother and younger sister. What am I missing??
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Hi
One possible explanation is that Martha was born before the marriage of William and Mary. I note there is a birth on familysearch for a Martha Mckinnon 9 Sep 1872 in Hutchenstown, Glasgow , mother Mary Mckinnon. This might be worth following up on SP as might checking for a death for Janet Turnbull Murray before the 1881 census.
William
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Just for the record is this the correct family in the 1881 census address Thorn Bank Maryhill
William Murray age 33 b Airdrie occupation builder master
Mary Murray age 29 Balfron
Martha age 8 .John 5 .Thomas 3
There is a death for a Janet Murray 1877 age 4 in Maryhill maybe worth looking at on S P
Rosie
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Thank you to both for the suggestions. I am as certain as one can be that the 1881 census is the correct family as it ticks all the boxes (except for Martha!) I shall follow up on both the death of Janet and earlier birth of a Martha.
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Good idea could be the Martha McKinnon birth that William found in 1872 ? ..If looking for death for Janet Murray no middle name I recorded
Rosie
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Rosie's lead to Janet Murray was the correct one. Janet died at Thornbank House, Maryhill in Nov 1877 aged 3 and a half of hydrocephalus. Now I just have to load up my SP credits and follow up William's lead. Thank you both :)
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Rosie's lead to Janet Murray was the correct one. Janet died at Thornbank House, Maryhill in Nov 1877 aged 3 and a half of hydrocephalus. Now I just have to load up my SP credits and follow up William's lead. Thank you both :)
Good news hope you can solve the Martha's birth now
Rosie :)
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William's tip also panned out as Martha was Illegitimate on the birth certificate and Mary McKinnon was a domestic servant - as was the Mary McKinnon who married William Murray. No age or place of birth for the mother is on the birth certificate to cross check but, given that I can find no Martha McKinnon daughter of Mary in the 1881 Census am I fairly safe to assume this is 'my' Martha? :)
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If you read back the to the third post is that not Martha in the 1881 census recorded as Martha Murray ?
Rosie
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In the 1891 census address 75.Kelvinside Avenue Glasgow
William Murray age 41 b Airdrie building contractor
Mary Murray age 30 b Balfron
Martha Murray age 18 contractors assistant
John Murray age 15 ...Thomas age 13
Same family in the 1901 census address Campbell Street Maryhill Martha also there
Is this not the same family
Rosie
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Hi
Just a thought...
Have you located the family in the 1911 census? If Martha is not with them it might be worth a search for her in the marriages and deaths between 1901 and 1911 - the cert. might help confirm her parentage. Witnesses on a marriage cert might also shed light.
William
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Re Rosie's query about Martha McKinnon/Murray in 1881 Census. That is who I mean by 'my' Martha! As I could not find any Martha McKinnon with a mother named Mary in 1881,I felt more confident that Martha Murray was the illegitimate Martha that William found. I shall follow up on his 1911 Census suggestion though I can only access the Scottish 1911 through SP so will have to wait til my budget catches up. :(
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As 2 of Rosie's comments are on different pages, I missed one of them. The family in 1891 and 1901 that she noted, are the family I am researching - It was because there was confusion with a Janet's birth but no Martha Murray's birth in this family that I posted my query - with very helpful results :)
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So problem solved now Anne :)