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I'm looking for the burial/or marriage of Janet Scott.
She married William Smith, they had 9 children that I know of. William died 28 March 1845 Lochmaben and was buried in that area with some of his children. (no marriage found)
We don't know much about this couple, a story in the family said that she was born Lady Janet Scott, who eloped with the Shepherd William Smith.
I myself don't agree with this tale.
Two death reports from a Newspaper:
2/6/1845 - At the house of his son-in-law, Mr Mitchell South Queensferry on 2nd ult. at a ripe old age, Mr William Scott for many years the respectable tenant of Glenkiln.
10/1847 - At Queensferry on 19th ult. Janet Scott, relict of the late James Smith, Shepherd, Glenkiln (James I think is a printing error as his name was William)
I am certain this is Janet and her father, she was either visiting or had moved to the Queensferry area after her husbands death. They both came from Glenkiln (Janet and her Husband)
I hope someone can help me with this query
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1marriage coming up on SP
5/6/1803 William Smith = Janet Scott of Muiravonside Falkirk
were the children ones I can see born Dumfries??
Diddy
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Janet & William's first child was born 1813 at Glenkiln, Dumfriesshire
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What names do you have for their children, please?
Is there a daughter called Agnes?
Bev
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Wonder if this was a son?
SMITH, Amelius - D15/5/1843 - At Glenkiln, Kirkmichael, on the 15th inst., Amelius, son of Wm. Smith, there.
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ainsty/wfp/deaths/27.html
Amelius Smith 1841 Census
1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/836 Place: Kirkmichael -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Kirkmichael Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 2
Address: Upper Glenkiln
SMITH William M 45 Agricultural Labourer
SMITH Janet S. F 45
SMITH John M 15
SMITH Amelius M 12
SMITH Christopher M 10
SMITH Walter S. M 7
All born in Dumfries-shire
Janet Scott died 1847 is buried at Vennel Kirk’s Church burial ground, South Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland has a grave monument photograph and there are two Mitchells on it
William Scott grave monument
William Scott 1845 first name on monument
Janet Scott 1847, 57 years born 1790? daughter of William Scott
John Mitchell 1871, 30 years 1841 relationship not given of William Scott
Andrew Mitchell, relationship not given of William Scott
Mary Blake, 1837, 70 born 1767? wife of William Scott
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=49164&scrwidth=1200
IGI (Familysearch) William and Janet Scott's children (you can see the Blake name tied in with graves above)
John Smith
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 29 August 1824 , KIRKMICHAEL, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland
father: William Smith
mother: Janet Scott
George Scott Blake Smith
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 1 January 1819 , KIRKMICHAEL, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland
father: William Smith
mother: Janet Scott
Andrew Scott Smith
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 6 December 1816 , KIRKMICHAEL, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland
father: William Smith
mother: Janet Scott
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No girls to this couple
boys found are:
William Smith born 1813 - 1841
David Smith born 1815
Andrew Scott Smith born 1816
George Scott Blake Smith born 1818
Peter Smith born 1822 - 1837
John Riddell Smith born 1824 - 1906
Amelius Smith 1829 - 1843
Christopher Smith born 1833 - 1908
Walter Scott Smith born 1834 - 1891
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Yes, Amelius was their son
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I have sent for CD of South Queensferry inscriptions/gravestones to see if that turns up anything, I've also been tracing whom I think are Janet Scott's sibling's.
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This individual visited the Kirkmichael Parish Churchyard in Scotland prior to sending the e-mail and found William’s gravestone. I would imagine it has further eroded with the passage of over a decade since that time. Here is the inscription on the gravestone that he sent us:
In Memory of
DAVID SMITH son of WILLIAM SMITH
And JANET SCOTT SMITH who died at Black-
Cleugh 11th January 1835 aged 19 years
PETER SMITH died 1st November 1837 aged
15 years. And WILLIAM SMITH who
died 7th May 1841 aged 27 years.
And AMELIOUS SMITH who died at
Glenkiln 15th May 1843 aged 15 years
And WILLIAM SMITH their father
who died at Lochmaben 28th March
1845 aged 52 years.
You will notice no mother buried beside her husband
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Thank you so much for all that info on Janet's burial and some of her family, everyone you mentioned is related, some info I had but not on where she was buried - so I was correct in my thinking that I had the right family, I am so grateful for all of this.
Marlyn
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It certainly looks like you are correct
Have you got any of Janet Scott's siblings?
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I have:
Janet Scott -
Mary Scott - 1794 - 1868
Margaret Scott - 1795 - 1895
Elizabeth Clare Scott (known as Betsy) - 1811 - 1890
Andrew Scott - born 1794 - 1870
Andrew died at Kildary House, Kilmuir-Easter, Cromarty he was married to Helen Graham - his occupation: Factor
The family have been so hard to find; probably more children, but an interesting bunch of people. I am going out just now, but I do need some more help with others attached to this family, hopefully you will be able to help/or guide me in the right direction
Marlyn
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I have added the death notice of Andrew Scott; Janet's brother. I can't understand why no birth certs can be found for this family
Marlyn
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Do you think there will be a record in the church itself naming her late husband, William Smith? and the actual date of death
Marlyn
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Can anyone help me with the inscription on this headstone, please
Marlyn
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IGI
Elizabeth Clare Scott
mentioned in the record of John Mitchell
Name Elizabeth Clare Scott
Gender Female
Husband Andrew Mitchell
Son John Mitchell
Name John Mitchell
Gender Male
Christening Date 16 May 1841
Christening Place , QUEENSFERRY, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 17 Apr 1841
Father's Name Andrew Mitchell
Mother's Name Elizabeth Clare Scott
So that solves the son-in-law comment, Elizabeth Clare Scott was married to Andrew Mitchell.
He could be the Andrew Mitchell of Kirkliston on the grave, can't read all of the grave very well.
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Going by Andrew Scott of Kildarys funeral notice I found his name in a book
NOBLEMEN AND GENTLEMEN'S SEATS, VILLAGES
By SUTHERLAND AND KNOX
Kildary, Ross, Andrew Scott, farmer, Parkhill.
https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=oOYNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA87&dq=andrew+scott,+kildary+house&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI3NST9LrMAhXGq5QKHQJ5CX8Q6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=andrew%20scott%2C%20kildary%20house&f=false
So it seems he was a landowner. So not exactly poor
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correct, about Andrew Scott, he was also the Factor, I think it would be him that erected the gravestone, as his father is at the top 1845, then his mother 1837, followed by his sister Janet 1847 and nephew, then his brother-in-law - I can't make it all out, if I lived nearer I would visit the graveyard.
The Andrew Mitchell mentioned was a Distiller.
I also find it odd that Andrew's wife was not buried beside him (Elizabeth Clare (Betsy) Scott) married name Mitchell - she died 27/12/1890-Port Gower Place, Edinburgh, and the informant was her nephew Andrew Scott residing at 40 Leamington Terrace, Edinburgh, I have him born 1830 and no death, a marriage to a Catherine which I cannot find; I am sure he with what I have found that he was an Indigo Planter in Calcutta - he was retired at 50yrs in 1901 he was living at Ventnor Hampshire.
So I have 2 sisters, Janet and Elizabeth not buried with their husbands - odd
Marlyn
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The Headstone Inscription I think goes like this (up to Janet)
To the memory of William Scott
late Farmer in Glenkiln
in the Shire of Dumfries
who departed this life on 2nd of May
1845
in the 84th year of his age
and
Mary Blake his spouse
who died on 10th Dec.
1837
aged 70 years
and
Janet the eldest daughter in the family
who departed this life on the 21st of September
1847
in the 57th year of her age
M.
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Just to let you all know that because we found the grave, I then found Janet's death cert and also her fathers. Janet's came under Mrs Smith her married name, they lived in Kirkconnel for a lot of their married life:
September 1847 -
Mrs Smith from the Parish of Kirkconnel died of fever while on a visit - 20th... 25th September
Her father:
1845
Scott: Mr Scott, father of Mrs Mitchell. of apoplexy the 1st buried 7th May ...84yrs
Mrs Mitchell was Janet's sister (Elizabeth Clare (known as Betsy) Scott; married name Mitchell
Thanks everyone for all the help with finding information
Marlyn
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I am currently researching my GGG grandfather, George Scott, a farmer who was born at Glenkiln in about 1805 and who married Margaret Mary Tinning, born 1813 at Tinwald House, Tinwald, Dumfries. They were married at Tinwald House and their eldest daughter, Mary, was baptised at Kirkmichael Church near Glenkiln before the family emigrated to USA - returning in time to be included on the 1851 census where other children, including my GG grandfather, William Young Scott,were registered as having been born in USA. Anyone able to help here??
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Yes I could be able to help you and put you in touch with a relative in Canada
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Thanks for that. Any help would be a move in the right direction! The branch of Scots I am currently researching may not be directly 'related' to my brand, but the Glenkiln connection makes its strong possibility. Yes, please,I would like to be 'put in touch' with the Canadian connection!
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Hi Marilyn!
As you've probably gathered - I'm not very good at using RootsChat and may have been sending you blank messages because of clicking the wrong buttons! Yes - here is my e-mail address (too complicated to sort it out via Ancestry as I thought I might be able to do ...)
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Look forward to swapping information about the Scotts of Glenkiln, not that I have very much relating to that side of my Scottish ancestors, but I live in hope!!
Jenny
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