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Hi Lancashire.
Has anyone got access to LDS film 1885657,
24th september 1752.St Elphin Warrington.
JOHN DAVIE, son of THOMAS DAVIE Bn 29th aug 1752 ,ASHTON IN MAKERFIELD .
Is it possible to confirm spelling of surname please .
Many thanks.
Arry
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Hi Arry,
Lancs OPC have transcribed the record you quote, but they list the church as St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield.
They have also transcribed St Elphin Warrington but there are no baptisms listed for September 1752.
If you email Lancs OPC, they will check the original image for you to confirm the spelling and the baptism venue.
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
(click on the quill pen image on the left-hand side of the screen for the email link)
:) Barbara
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Hi Arry
Here is the link to St Thomas in Ashton in Makerfield, which includes the baptism of John. Its on the right hand page 3qtrs of the way down.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9P4-269H?mode=g&cat=686506
He definitely wasn't baptised at St Elphin in Warrington, which I have included for you to see
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99G4-M93Z-1?mode=g&i=676&cat=725716
claire :)
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Hi Barbara H and Claire.
Thank you for your prompt replies,i have now been able to access Ringley files .
They are definitly DAVIDGE ,the mystery still applies to DIANA DAVIDGE buried 1789 not 1788,who is she .
Also cannot find in Ringley file's birth of ELIZABETH DAVIDGE Bn 1786???,who is she.
Mystery still stand's where was JOHN DAVIDGE Bn 1752.
This man is driving me to dispair ,he has to come from somewhere ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Hi Again.
I have been on the international IGI ther was only 1 JOHN DAVIDGE born 1752.
JOHN DAVIDGE 24th february 1752 BRUTON SOMERSET father RICHARD DAVIDGE .
I happen to have the BMDs for bruton pre 1812 and it does check to be correct .
Was my JOHN an apprentice and moved up north to RINGLEY LANCS ???.
How can i find out .
Any help would be great ??? ??? ???.
Many thanks.
Arry
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There are some apprentice records on Find My Past.
A quick look for the name John Davidge, they all seem to be down south - Dorset and Hampshire mainly. What was John Davidge's trade?
You have probably seen (Lancs OPC again):
Burial: 7 Feb 1789 St Saviour, Ringley
Diana Davidge
Abode: Prestolee re: Outwood
Burial: 16 May 1792 St Saviour, Ringley
John Davidge
Abode: Outwood
And on Find My Past, this marriage (Bishops Transcript record):
25 March 1788, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
John Davidg of Bolton in the County of Lancashire to Diana Hattersley of this parish
:) Barbara
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Hi Again Barbara h.
yes i have all of these file's ,his trade was a papermaker on both birth's at Ringley.
many thanks.
Arry
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What was John Davidge's trade?
You have probably seen (Lancs OPC again):
Burial: 7 Feb 1789 St Saviour, Ringley
Diana Davidge
Abode: Prestolee re: Outwood
Burial: 16 May 1792 St Saviour, Ringley
John Davidge
Abode: Outwood
And on Find My Past, this marriage (Bishops Transcript record):
25 March 1788, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
John Davidg of Bolton in the County of Lancashire to Diana Hattersley of this parish
I don't know if there's a connection here with your Davidge family
William Davidge Baptism 4 Jul 1790 Ringley, St Saviour
Father John Davidge of Burwood occ papermaker Mother Diana
Reference Number: L103/1/2/1 Item Number: 3 Archive Roll: 662
William DAVAGE born c1791 Bolton is on the 1851c with wife Ruth & dau Elizabeth
In Yorkshire HO107; Piece: 2336; Folio: 171; Page: 44
Added was posting the above whilst red writing - arry posting John's occ was a papermaker
John Davidge Baptism 28 Oct 1792 Ringley, St Saviour
Father John Davidge of Burwood occ papermaker Mother Dinah
Reference Number: L103/1/2/1 Item Number: 3 Archive Roll: 662
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I have been on the international IGI ther was only 1 JOHN DAVIDGE born 1752.
JOHN DAVIDGE 24th february 1752 BRUTON SOMERSET father RICHARD DAVIDGE .
I happen to have the BMDs for bruton pre 1812 and it does check to be correct .
FreeReg also has that baptism and the following Davidge's father named Richard Bp. at
St Mary the Virgin Bruton Somerset
Mary 2 Sep 1742
Richard 16 Sep 1745
Elizabeth 12 Sep 1749
Thomas 12 Jan 1750/1 burial 20 Jan
There’s a marriage at St Andrew Ansford Somerset 1 May 1739 for a
Richard Davidge to Mary Evans
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What was John Davidge's trade?
You have probably seen (Lancs OPC again):
Burial: 7 Feb 1789 St Saviour, Ringley
Diana Davidge
Abode: Prestolee re: Outwood
Burial: 16 May 1792 St Saviour, Ringley
John Davidge
Abode: Outwood
And on Find My Past, this marriage (Bishops Transcript record):
25 March 1788, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
John Davidg of Bolton in the County of Lancashire to Diana Hattersley of this parish
I don't know if there's a connection here with your Davidge family
William Davidge Baptism 4 Jul 1790 Ringley, St Saviour
Father John Davidge of Burwood occ papermaker Mother Diana
Reference Number: L103/1/2/1 Item Number: 3 Archive Roll: 662
William DAVAGE born c1791 Bolton is on the 1851c with wife Ruth & dau Elizabeth
In Yorkshire HO107; Piece: 2336; Folio: 171; Page: 44
Added was posting the above whilst red writing - arry posting John's occ was a papermaker
John Davidge Baptism 28 Oct 1792 Ringley, St Saviour
Father John Davidge of Burwood occ papermaker Mother Dinah
Reference Number: L103/1/2/1 Item Number: 3 Archive Roll: 662
John Davidge may have moved to Ringley because of his occupation as a papermaker.As a Lancashire girl I do know that there were paper mills in the area of Bolton, may still be.Ringley is on the outskirts & he would not have far to travel.I do know that one of them closed down some years ago as one of our family worked there.
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Surely this is the baptism of Elizabeth on familysearch:
Eliz. Davage bp.30/11/1786 Bolton le Moors, Turton, Lancashire, dau. of John and Diana.
Can't produce one for Diana but with the time frame one would suppose her to have been bc.1788. If she died at/soon after birth it's possible the baptism got 'overlooked' somehow.
If, as seems likely, the marriage in 1788 is correct it looks as if at least first child was born before the parents got around to marrying.
As to John Davidge - how do you know he was bc.1752?
Annette
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Have found Diana - listed as Dinah:
Dinah Davig, bp.24/3/1788 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire dau. of John.
This is where her parents John and Diana/Dinah Hattersley married on the following day!.
Dinah Hattersley bp.6/2/1763 Ecclesfield, dau. of Jonathan. Surely husband John Davidge more likely to be around the same age as her, rather than born circa 1752??
Annette
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Hi Ladyhawk.
Thanks for that i have all original birth's at Ringley and the entry for a DIANA DAVIDGE burial ,but i have no idea who she is at the moment ,we have for some years now been trying to tie the northern DAVIDGE's to the southern lot ,maybe this could be the tie in?????.
thanks very much for your input ,i also have a posting on SOMERSET request's to see if there is any more info to make the link.
all the very best.
Arry :) :) :) :)
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You are thanking Ladyhawk and state you still have no idea who the Diana bur.1789 is but make no mention of my 2 postings that followed hers in which I have found the 2 baptisms you were looking for - Elizabeth 1786 in Bolton (where John is stated to come from) and Dinah 1788 in Ecclesfield where he married before he and wife Diana returned to Lancashire.
Nor have you answered how you know John was bc.1752.
Some kind of response to my findings would be nice.
Annette
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Hi Annette7.
Sorry about that getting carried away.
I received some documents from a distant relly and it originally said that JOHN was born 1763 .
I have since been told that he was in fact 36yrs old when they married 1788 ,that being the case it would make his birth 1752 and DIANA'S(dinah) 1763.
However i am not 100% as yet to whether that is right or not, i do somewhere have the original wedding entry ,but having recently moved cannot find it at the moment.
So you can see at the moment it's going to be a little bit of luck as i have been looking for this man for about 5 years.
Many thanks.
Arry
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Hi again Annette7.
I must be getting slow in my old age ,could the DIANA(dinah) bp 24th march 1788 day before marriage be the DIANA DAVIDGE buried st saviour 7th feb 1789.
All the best.
Arry
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Yes, I believe that 'Dinah' bp.1788 Ecclesfield is the 'Diana' bur.1789 Ringfield.
Even if you find your copy of the marriage entry it won't state his age. The only time ages got mentioned then is if one or both of them was under 21. I'm also guessing that his age is not given on his burial entry??
Without some real proof otherwise, I would think John more likely to have been born ca.1762.
Interestingly, on the baptism and marriage at Ecclesfield surname was transcribed as Davis or Davig for the baptism, and Davedge (ML), Davidg (BT) and Davodge for the marriage.
Annette
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Find my Past has a marriage licence index entry (transcript only) for the Davidge/Hattersley marriage, dated 25 Mar 1788. It has John Davedge age 36 (so born c. 1752) of Bolton and Diana Hattersley age 25 (so born 1763) of Ecclesfield.
This is probably where your date of birth info came from.
:) Barbara
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Hi Annette and Barbara.
sorry for late reply ,i have bee away from my pc .
I have just found 1 JOHN DAVIDGE Bn 1763 in portsea ,which is now portsmouth about 8 miles from where i live.
I shall try and check it out tomorrow when i get home ,.
thank you both very much for the extra info and your time to help on this one.
All the best.
Arry
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Find my Past has a marriage licence index entry (transcript only) for the Davidge/Hattersley marriage, dated 25 Mar 1788. It has John Davedge age 36 (so born c. 1752) of Bolton and Diana Hattersley age 25 (so born 1763) of Ecclesfield.
This is probably where your date of birth info came from.
Maybe worth a look perhaps John Davidge & Dinah named their children
Elizabeth c1786, Diana c1788, William c1791 & John c1792 after parent/s - although this baptism is a little earlier than 1752 :-\
John Davidge born 12 Nov 1748
Baptism 27 Nov 1748 St Bartholomew The Great,London
Father: William Davidge Mother:Elizh.
details from England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
other DAVIDGE baptism same place & with same parents names
Benjamin 28 May 1765 born 11 May,
Samuell 27 Jan 1860 b22 Dec 1759
George 7 Sep 1761 b 25 Aug,
Thomas 7 Oct 1752 b 29 Sept.,
Elizh. 11 Jan 1746 b 3 Jan.,
Mary 28 Oct 1750 born 2 Oct &
Ann 16 Aug 1756 b 4 Aug
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Hi Ladyhawk.
Now that sounds quite feasable ,if only i could get access to the apprenticeship records i might be able to pinpoint him better ,that would make him 40 when he married and 44years old when he died .??.
all the best .
Arry
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Hi again Ladyhawk.
He died just before JOHN 1792 was born and DIANA(DINAH) went back to ECCLESFIELD and had 2 more children with no father named ???.
All the best.
Arry
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Hi Everyone.
I have been in touch with Bolton Archives and received a little bit of info.
At Prestolee in the late 1700s there were 2 paper mills named Higher & lower Mills,however in 1777 lower mill closed and higher mill was extended and became CREAMS mill and was owned by the CROMPTON family..
Does anyone know of any records at all about this mill and the people that worked there.
Any help or info most welcome ,many thanks Arry