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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: maxwell41 on Wednesday 27 April 16 01:26 BST (UK)
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Hi Team,
Looking for information on Herbert Michael Devine born 1883 died 1955 looking for his parents and siblings and marriage.
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Hi you never said where he was born would this be the same chap
Herbert Michael Devine b 1883 Ondit Victoria Australia
Father James Devine Mother Ellen Moor
Death Preston Victoria 1955 age 73
Rosie
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Hi Rosie17,
Sorry I don't where he was born but you have the right person.
Cheers Max.
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Is this the same child? Adopted by Edward Donahoe of Pirron Yallock, Vic?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/174596572?searchTerm=%22herbert%20michael%20devine%22&searchLimits=
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If it is, there are a few articles on Trove about Herbert Devine of Pirron Yallock in the Colac area, including being crowned "king of football" in 1936 at a fundraiser. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205947687?searchTerm=%22herbert%20%20devine%22&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria
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So, not sure what the connection between them is yet, but Edward Donahoe married Catherine Malloy in 1871 in Vic.
Edited: and as far as I can see, they didn't have any children of their own.
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Rosie,
Not sure about the connection I believe he did live at Pirron Yallock.
Will have to check this out with Family member.
I believe there were siblings to Herbert.
max.
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Hi this looks like the marriage for James Devine to Ellen Moor 1877 Victoria
This could be possible siblings going by the parent's names
Mary Ann Devine 1878 County La Victoria
Ellen Devine 1884 Camperdown Victoria died 1885
Margaret Monica Devine 1882 Ondit Victoria she married 1908 George T Kingston she died Perth 1964
John Edward Devine 1881 Colac Victoria and a Patrick James Devine 1881 Colac looks like they are twins
Thomas Devine 1879 Colac Victoria
Philip Devine 1885 Campbells Creek
These people all have the parents as James Devine and Ellen Moor/Moore
Rosie
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Rosie,
Thanks for all that information.
While your hot on the trail what can be found out about Frances Mary Campbell she was his was Herbert wife. Her parents and Siblings would be great she was born 1877 died 1951 i think she was born in the same area.
Please don't rush this you have done well today, I not in any hurry
Many thanks Max
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This could be the marriage his name looks like a transcription error
Fran Mary Campbell married Michl.Herst Devine 1909 Victoria
Did this Herbert marry again in Perth ?
Online tree has his father born about 1841 Co Cavan Ireland... There is a James Devine from Co Cavan occupation labourer age 20 arriving 1858 fare paid by Parish Priest might just be a coincidence
Rosie
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This looks like death Francis Divine born about 1876 died 1951 Ballarat Victoria age 75
Father John Campbell Mother Teresa ...going by the birth of their daughter
Teresa Mary Devine born 1910 Calac Victoria
Father Herbt Mich Devine
Mother Fran Mary Campbell
Rosie
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Rosie,
Frances has got to be righ, we no for she died in a nursing home in Ballarat
Max
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Hi Rosie,
Not sure what happen yesterday I got three messages 7.05 7.06 7.07 pm
with the following text
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
Cheers Max
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Max the Victorian BDM's are online
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
From my own resources
Marriage
DEVINE James born Cavan
MOORE Ellen born Colac
1877 Reg#3002
I cannot see a birth for Ellen with the parents on her death index.
This marriage certificate will have the names of the bride and groom's parents and their ages and places of birth. You can purchase and immediately download an image of the certificate from the link above.
Death
DEVINE Ellen Margaret
Father John MOORE Mother Mary UNKNOWN
At Camperdown 29 years 1885 Reg#620
You can download and read the file
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
DONOHOE Edward Donohoe Farmer Pirron Yallock 16 Dec 1890 44/641 VPRS 28/P0, unit 559; VPRS 28/P2, unit 303; VPRS 7591/P2, unit 172
Would you like photos of the DEVINE headstones at Colac Cemetery? If so, please pm your email address.
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Your information was given to me yesterday by Rosie.
Something went wrong yesterday
Rosie was in the process of checking Frances Mary Campbell who died in Ballarat 1951 she was wife Herbert Devine I'm looking for her parents and any siblings .
wuold like to see photos of grave
Cheers Max.
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Your information was given to me yesterday by Rosie.
Max the information for the marriage I have posted has the places of birth for both bride and groom and the registration number. Good genealogical practice to record sources and references. I always post from my resources not Ancestry indexes or online trees.
I can't see the death of Herbert's mother on the thread nor the information from the Public Record Office of Victoria.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi max could not find any more information on Frances Campbell
Rosie
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wuold like to see photos of grave
Cheers Max.
Max did you receive my email which I sent at 11.15 am today (Thursday) with the photos of the DEVINE headstones at Colac Cemetery?
Hi Team,
Looking for information on Herbert Michael Devine born 1883 died 1955 looking for his parents and siblings and marriage .
I suggest that the Victorian BDM website be used for research in preference to the subscription based websites whose indexes have many inaccuracies and mistranscriptions of place names.
Mary Ann Devine 1878 County La Victoria Born Colac Died as Mary Ann Josephine BOXSELL 1961 Perth WA.
Ellen Devine 1884 Camperdown Victoria died 1885 - there is no birth registered for Ellen in 1884 at Camperdown and the 1885 death is for an 11 month old daughter of James and Ellen who died at Camperdown.
Margaret Monica Devine 1882 Ondit Victoria she married 1908 George T Kingston she died Perth 1964
John Edward Devine 1881 Colac Victoria and a Patrick James Devine 1881 Colac looks like they are twins. Patrick Francis[no James] DEVINE son of James and Ellen died Heidelberg 1948 Reg#365
Thomas Devine 1879 Colac Victoria Died 1940 Colac Reg#15527
Philip Devine 1885 Campbells Creek - should be Camperdown. Died aged 23 days at Colac 1885 Reg#4677
These people all have the parents as James Devine and Ellen Moor/Moore
Rosie
Marriage
DEVINE Herbert Michael born Victoria
CAMPBELL Frances Mary born Victoria
1909 Reg#5907
There is no Victorian birth registration for a Frances with parents John and Teresa/Theresa on the Victorian indexes. You would need to purchase the marriage certificate to find her parents. However trawling the indexes for CAMPBELL births in the 1870's, there are a number to John CAMPBELL and Elizabeth SMITH and includes a Frances born in 1878 at Winchelsea Reg#26464. There is a headstone in the Colac cemetery for a John CAMPBELL who died in 1904 and his wife Elizabeth nee SMITH who died in 1906. You can search for Frances's siblings on Vic bdm.
Australian Electoral Roll
1909, 1931 and from 1943 and 1949 same address but he's now Herbert Michael.
DEVINE Frances Mary Swan Marsh HD
DEVINE Herbert Swan Marsh Labourer
The 1949 Roll has Frances Mary struck out with comment D 21/3/50 = Deceased 23 Mar 1950.
Births to 1920 limit of my resource.
DEVINE Teresa Mary
Father Herbert Michael Mother Frances Mary CAMPBELL
At Colac 1910 Reg#18366
DEVINE Herbert
Father Herbert Michael Mother Frances Mary CAMPBELL
At Colac 1912 Reg#28615
DEVINE James Edward
Father Herbert Michael Mother Frances Mary CAMPBELL
At Colac 1916 Reg#28471
WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=619876
DEVINE Kathleen Frances
Father Herbert Mother Frances Mary CAMPBELL
At Colac 1918 Reg#26528
DEVINE Stanley
Father Herbert Mother Frances Mary CAMPBELL
At Colac 1920 Reg#20574
I suggest you also trawl through the PROV Wills and Admon Indexes...there are a number of DEVINE files but those post 1928 you have to purchase or have someone view the files at Ballarat or North Melbourne rooms.
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Cando I did receive the head stone photos for the Devines head stones Many thanks.
I was amazed at the amount of info about the Devines.
I did purchase marriage record Herbert Michael Deinve Frances Mary Campbell Herbert Parent are James Devine Ellen Margaret Moore
James father was Patrick Devine mother was Mary Prior
Frances Mary Campbell father John Campbell mother Elizabeth Smith.
Only one thing left did John Campbell and Elizabeth have any other children ?
Cheers from Max and Many Thanks again for your good work
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Hi Cando & Rosie,
Disregard the last Paragraph about the Frances Campbell sibling
I have just found them on your last Post.
I just never get to it straight away, I suffer badly with Macular Degeneration in both eye I find it very hard on computer but i love to do the researching family, reading is also a big problem for me.
Please bare with me Cheers Max
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Max is this size font easier for you to read?
Cando
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The births were Herbert's and Frances Mary's children on the post not Frances Mary's siblings.
I have emailed them to you as the CAMPBELL's were a large family of ten chn...may be more.
Also sent a photo of the headstone on John and Elizabeth's CAMPBELL's grave at Colac Cemetery.
Cando
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Thanks Cando,
Yea that's great mate that,s about the size I'm using I still struggle with that but I don't need it any bigger as it just doesn't get any better.
I have registered with state Library so I'll see if I can find my way around.
Many Thanks Cando Cheers from Max
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My late father's only grumble as he aged was the macular degeneration in both eyes so I understand a little of your frustration.
Cando
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He may not been able to get treatmeant I have right as dry Mac. nothing be done the left is wet Mac. I travel to Melb.every four week Max an injection which just holding the sight without improvement
Max
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Hello Max
re James Devine bc1840 Cavan m Moore
I am very interested in your Devine family.
There are a few DNA matches to James Devine descendants on Ancestry.
I am a Devine descendant of Bawnboy district Cavan and have Patrick Devine and Mary Prior in my tree. Patrick Devine is the assumed brother of my Peter Devine and another DNA sibling James Devine. All of Arderry.
Would love to follow up on this branch.
Look forward to hearing from you
Rosalie
Syd Aust
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Hi Rosalie
If you click on the profile of Max you can see he has not been active on here since 2000 and going by his age if that is correct I doubt you will get a reply
Rosie
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Thx for that Rosie.
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Thx for that Rosie.
Your welcome :)
Rosie