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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: blacksmithy on Sunday 24 April 16 12:11 BST (UK)
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Hi
Just wondering if someone with some local knowledge and help me with the above address. I have found my fore-family living there between at least 1881-1901. George Anderson was there when his first wife Mary died. In 1881 he is there with daughter Mary and son George from his first marriage. Wee George died aged 8 in 1880 at the address. In 1881 it appears George has a new wife called Julia. They have at least 2 more children, Julia McCallum Anderson (B1881) and George (B 1884). I haven’t looked to trace the family too much but do know Mary (daughter) died in 1940 and Julia (her stepsister now Julia Galbraith) was the informant of her death. My question is more around the address. I did a google search and found the following on Zoopla:
The Weaving House, Originally Built Circa 1700, Is A Fantastic Development Opportunity Set Within The Conservation Village Of Kilbarchan. Grade C Listed.
I then did a search on CanMore and found a photo of a very old building. I am wondering if I have lined everything up and have a photo of 16 New Street and am looking for someone to confirm this or tell me no!
Your thoughts and time are greatly appreciated.
Oh yes, forgot to mention George was a weaver, young Julia a draper and young George (2nd) as bank clerk.
Thanks
Pauline
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Pauline,
I'm trying to understand your post, you have an ancestor who was a Weaver residing at 16 New Street and you found a house for sale on New St called the Weaving House and you think is your Ancestor's house or am I missing something?
The house for sale is in the middle of New St. and, although I'm sure the numbers have change since 1900 being in the middle of the street it would still be more than #16. The other problem is there was no odd/even numbering so if it was on the south side of New there are many of those buildings long gone so the numbers today are half of what they would have been when your ancestor lived there. Example #14, today is on the south side almost accross from the house you found which is #39.
Don
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Yes Don, I was going to say the same that there are very few "older" houses now on New Street and I would think that the numbering will definitely have changed :(.
The Old Library Centre in Kilbarchan may have some more information about original numbering.
As an aside, Mary Armour also lived in New Street and there is now a cairn there in her memory.
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Thanks to you both for your replies.
I have google earthed New Street and see there are only a couple of older buildings including the tavern. I shall try the Old Library Centre as suggested. The Canmore photo is obviously of a very very old house/weavers shed and is not likely to be in existence any more. I am also coming to understand different countries have different numbering systems to what we have here!!
Thanks again :)
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I looked at the photo, it is on the south side of New St., the key identifier is the reference to Steeple Square in the background which is south of New St.
If George died in 1896 then you will find his Will and Estate Inventory at Scot's People. He was Feuar and a Weaver. The Valuations also at Scot's People for 1895 will might help you identify the location where he lived as well.
Don
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Hi
thanks again DonM. I didn't mean to get too involved with this branch of the family but it has thrown up some interesting facts which affect other more immediate family members! Anyway more digging has Georges confirmed death as 6 December 1925 so I haven't found a Will/Testament for him as it seems to be outside the date on SP. The valuation roll was informative but as always more questions than answers. The property at 16 New street had four rooms with one or more windows, while most others had only one or two. Would I be correct to think the more windows a person had the more financial one would be? I have yet to understand the building types for Kilbarchan and I wonder what type of housing was most prominent - some form of tenements but unlike the city ones I would assume??
Regards and thanks for your help.
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Hi blacksmithy
Glasgow Herald - 7th Dec 1925
Anderson
At Scot(illegible), Milliken Park, Kilbarchan on 6th inst., George Anderson, retired dairyman, in his 82nd year; deeply regretted - Funeral private.
If this is your George, I would say he probably had wealth, as he had a named house, and sounds as if it stood alone.
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Great find Lismore - thank you very much, yes this is my man :)
Thanks also for the Glasgow Herald resource but just wondering how you found his name as I couldn't pull his name up on a search.
Many thanks again.
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The Canmore photo is obviously of a very very old house/weavers shed and is not likely to be in existence any more. I am also coming to understand different countries have different numbering systems to what we have here!!
Thanks again :)
The Canmore Photograph is of The Weavers Cottage which still exists and is just off of Church Street in Kilbarchan - it is a National trust property.
http://www.nts.org.uk/Property/Weavers-Cottage/
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I have asked on a Facebook page and No16 "may" be the house almost directly opposite the Glenleven Inn but that's not definite :( I don't think you can see it on street view because of trees/shrubs.
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That's #14 today...may not be #14 in the 1900 era.
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Thanks everyone for your ongoing comments and research, all very interesting and it has put more understanding to my family research. One day I hope to come from the other side of the world to see it for myself :)
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Just become a member so I'm a bit hesitant about this, but I think the post by NT is wrong. The Weavers Cottage in Kilbarchan, owned by the Trust is a substantially different building to the Canmore photo of the Weavers' shed
. What do others think?
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Just become a member so I'm a bit hesitant about this, but I think the post by NT is wrong. The Weavers Cottage in Kilbarchan, owned by the Trust is a substantially different building to the Canmore photo of the Weavers' shed. What do others think?
There is nothing to be hesitant about presenting your opinion - especially here on Rootschat .
One of the canmore photographs of the Weavers Cottage is taken from the South East corner of the building and if you compare this with a modern photograph (taken in 2007 and available on Google) from a similar angle - they look to be the same building.
What makes you think they are not ?
PS welcome to Rootschat.
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I have now had a look at the Canmore site (don't know why I didn't before!) The picture on that site IS the house opposite what was the Glenleven Inn in New Street (now called Habbies) although in a very dilapidated state in 1979!
The Weaver's Cottage owned and managed by the National Trust is a very different building. There are many former Weaver's houses/cottages/sheds in the village as it was a weaving village many many years ago and the only loom now (working anyway, I believe!) is the one in the basement of the Weaver's Cottage.
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Pleased to read I was right. Doesn't always happen! I was particularly interested in the Weavers' Shed off New Street as my Gavin relatives, all weavers, lived and died in or from New Street, Kilbarchan.
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hi I am there everyday and I walked along new street yesterday so you have the shop on the right hand side and the pub on the left hand side. then the houses on the left hand side are all new built in the 1950 I would say. then after the shop is the cairn for Mary Barbour. then after that on the right hand side is a house but this house is number 14.then there is a space.then after that the houses are kind of new as well and start at number 20. the weaver cottage sits on the cross roads kind of thing at church street.
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If you look to the left of the first Canmore picture (ref ending in 123), there is a gable end of another building covered in some kind of plant/ivy. I think this is more likely to be a weaving shed and I'm sure I've heard it referred to as such.
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I think the problem is in the naming of the photographs - I am sure that in a village of weavers that there was more than one Weavers Shed and more than one Weavers Cottage.
Certainly in earlier photographs of what is now the Weavers Cottage there is reference to the Cottage and a shed and in one photograph that is titled The weavers Shed it looks more like a substantive dwelling than a shed to me.
Regardless due to the passage of time the village, like many others has changed, with many of the previously occupied cottages demolished as uninhabitable and replaced at different periods with the houses we see today