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I would appreciate any help with the following:
James Brennan b. c 1887 in Leighlinbridge Co Carlow Ireland. He married Mary Higgins from Co Waterford c. 1910.
They had 3 daughters Elizabeth (Betty) b 1910 Irl, Bridget Abina b 1913 Irl, Mary Bridget b 1915 Irl
Mary (Higgins) Brennan died in Ireland during birth of a son Christopher.
James Brennan was a member of the RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary) and is known to have went to live in Liverpool circa 1922. with his 3 daughters . His late wifes sister name of Margaret Murphy is known to have lived at Southport Road Liverpool and probably assisted James with the 3 girls.
Daughter Mary Bridget b 1915 is known to have attended Mount Pleasant College in Liverpool & became a teacher.(She later returned & married in Ireland)
Nothing is known of James Brennan i.e residence, death etc in Liverpool. There is a mention in family of Yew Tree Cemetery as being a possible burial place.
Any help in sourcing information on James Brennan would be appreciated by family. Thank you
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There is a burial for a James Brennan, Ford Cemetery 21st January 1933.
James Brennan age 47, 126 Smithdown Road (this would have been a hospital at the time) grave 1542. There are others buried in the same grave over a couple of days, so I think this would be a public grave. Hope this is of some help to you, although maybe the only way to be sure would be to purchase the death certificate.
Regards.
JeanC
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There is a burial for a James Brennan, Ford Cemetery 21st January 1933.
James Brennan age 47, 126 Smithdown Road (this would have been a hospital at the time) grave 1542. There are others buried in the same grave over a couple of days, so I think this would be a public grave. Hope this is of some help to you, although maybe the only way to be sure would be to purchase the death certificate.
Regards.
JeanC
Thank you Jean do you have the details so I could order cert also where would I send to as I am in Ireland. It is a good possibility as ill health has been mentioned . Would there be any hospital records & what was name of it? Are there electoral rolls/directories available for this time period. Regards Frances
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Frances, here is the details of the death, found on FreeBMD.
Deaths Mar 1933 (>99%)
Brennan James 47 Liverpool 8b 188
Information of where to send for certificate, this can be done on-line herein England, but I'm not sure how it works if out of the country.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
The Liverpool Record Office would have electoral rolls and street directories. I should think the hospital record will have a 100 years cover, so not much chance of gaining anything there. May be an email to Liverpool Record Office William Brown Street, you will find this by doing a Google.
Regards JeanC
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Sorry Frances, I didn't include the name of the hospital it was Sefton General.
Regards
JeanC
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Frances, I have found below on Find My Past 1939 registers. Unfortunately I don't know how to add an attachment to this message.
7 Southport Road Margaret Murphy date of birth given as 17 Feb 1894, states she is married, unpaid domestic duties.
There are then three banked out, may be here children born after 1915.
Mary B Brennan (with her future married name as Stanton) date of birth given, could be 27 or 29 January 1915, states she is single, her occupation is School Teacher.
Regards
JeanC
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Thank you Jean for all your help Will send for the death cert :)
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Frances, I have found below on Find My Past 1939 registers. Unfortunately I don't know how to add an attachment to this message.
7 Southport Road Margaret Murphy date of birth given as 17 Feb 1894, states she is married, unpaid domestic duties.
There are then three banked out, may be here children born after 1915.
Mary B Brennan (with her future married name as Stanton) date of birth given, could be 27 or 29 January 1915, states she is single, her occupation is School Teacher.
Regards
JeanC
Yes this info is correct re Mary B Brennan (she married Stanton)in ireland. Must have been living with aunt murphy. Appreciate all your help even though it is a little puzzling that the James Brennan death you found would have been buried in a public grave when he had family still one never knows the circumstances of thos times. Rgds Frances
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Great to know it was the right information I had found 1939 register, fingers crossed the burial of James Brennan at Ford Cemetery proves to be the right one once you have the certificate. I would hate to think someone is spending out on wrong information I have given them. We come across all kinds of mysteries whilst researching our ancestors, adds to the fun of it. I'm pleased to have been of some help.
Good luck
JeanC
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Thank you Jean your help has been invaluable. Rgds Frances :)
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It is a long shot - but you never know
http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/
above the listings for births / marriages /deaths / inquests etc there is a link in Blue stating
contact old mersey times .....click on this and you can send them an e mail about your James Brennan request
good luck
:)
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Frances, I have found below on Find My Past 1939 registers. Unfortunately I don't know how to add an attachment to this message.
7 Southport Road Margaret Murphy date of birth given as 17 Feb 1894, states she is married, unpaid domestic duties.
There are then three banked out, may be here children born after 1915.
Mary B Brennan (with her future married name as Stanton) date of birth given, could be 27 or 29 January 1915, states she is single, her occupation is School Teacher.
Regards
JeanC
This address 7 Southport Road was not in the borough of Liverpool it was in the borough of West Lancashire in 1939. Looking at various maps it's between Maghull and Lydiate (now Sefton Borough Council). Modern searches for this address give it as being in Lydiate. House appearance is right for a house built late 1920s or 1930s so appears to be the one on the 1939 Register.
I have my doubts about the 1933 death with it matching a public burial rather than private and the death being so far away from Lydiate. It could be another James Brennan. Anyone else any thoughts?
Blue
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Thank you Garstonite & Blue70 for your input. I think Margaret Murphy is buried at Yew Tree Cemetery - is this close to her place of residence @ Southport Road?
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There's a probate record that could be a match:-
1940
BRENNAN James of the County Mental Hospital Lancaster died 4 March 1940 Administration Liverpool 18 May to Mary Brigid Brennan spinster. Effects £486 7s. 11d.
This corresponds with this burial:-
Yew Tree Cemetery, West Derby, Liverpool
8 March 1940, James Brennan, County Mental Hospital Lancaster, 63 years, Grave 3B 439
Before ordering the death certificate ask for help in determining names of others in this grave here:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=651292.405
Corresponding death index:-
Name: James Brennan
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Mar 1940
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Lancaster
Volume: 8e
Page: 2225
Blue
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A great find Blue.
Regards
JeanC
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Frances, Yewtree Cemetery Finch Lane West Derby Liverpool L14 4DG. The cemetery is quite away from the address of Southport Road. Do you have an idea of year that Margaret died?
JeanC
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The link I posted is to the RootsChat look-up offer by Ozranga (Marienne) to provide details of private graves at Ford Cemetery, Yew Tree etc if you ask Marienne to look up James Brennan, giving burial place, date and grave details as I provided she will be able to tell you who else was buried in the grave. The names and addresses should be useful in establishing whether or not this James Brennan is the right one or not.
Blue
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Frances, Yewtree Cemetery Finch Lane West Derby Liverpool L14 4DG. The cemetery is quite away from the address of Southport Road. Do you have an idea of year that Margaret died?
JeanC
Hi Jean dont know year Mgt died until I delve into finding memorial card.. Thank you :)
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Frances, I do hope you hadn't already sent for the death certificate of the James Brennan died 1933. What Blue found was great.
Regards
JeanC
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There's a probate record that could be a match:-
1940
BRENNAN James of the County Mental Hospital Lancaster died 4 March 1940 Administration Liverpool 18 May to Mary Brigid Brennan spinster. Effects £486 7s. 11d.
This corresponds with this burial:-
Yew Tree Cemetery, West Derby, Liverpool
8 March 1940, James Brennan, County Mental Hospital Lancaster, 63 years, Grave 3B 439
Before ordering the death certificate ask for help in determining names of others in this grave here:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=651292.405
Corresponding death index:-
Name: James Brennan
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Mar 1940
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Lancaster
Volume: 8e
Page: 2225
Blue
Great find Blue, this definitely is the correct James I will follow the link you gave me. I do know his daughter Elizabeth (Betty) born 1910 died young with TB so possibly buried with James .The family had a lot of misfortune the Mary Bridget mentioned in probate married & also died v young in Ireland leaving 2 young daughters. So poor James having lost his wife in childbirth it is not surprising he ended up in a mental institution. :)
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Frances, I do hope you hadn't already sent for the death certificate of the James Brennan died 1933. What Blue found was great.
Regards
JeanC
No I hadnt Jean as I am researching this for my friend James grandaughter who by a strange coincidence spent a few days in Liverpool last week. :)
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I'm pleased to hear nothing had been spent out on the wrong information I had sent. Fingers crossed you can make headway with more useful finds. Hopefully your friend enjoyed their time here.
Regards
JeanC
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Frances, I do hope you hadn't already sent for the death certificate of the James Brennan died 1933. What Blue found was great.
Regards
JeanC
That was a good shout going by a c1887 birth but I think we should have been given a c1877 birth for this James Brennan. Never mind think we've found him now.
Blue
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Thank you to all the Posters for your help and to Blue for pointing me in the direction of Yew Tree Cemetery.
I have now received details of the grave and James is interred there with his daughter Elizabeth. The Deed holder was Margaret Murphy.
I need to now source some details for Mary Bridget Brennan for her time at Mount Pleasant College should I start a new post? :)
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Thank you for keeping us updated, I have been following this thread with interest, lovely to know you found the information you were looking for.
It may be a good thing to start a new thread, in the mean time here is a link to training school, first pic on the left.
http://www.liverpool-schools.co.uk/html/teacher_training.html
Regards
JeanC
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No idea if records are available and if so if they can be accessed. You could always ask Liverpool Record Office if they have anything in their archives for this educational establishment:-
https://liverpool.gov.uk/libraries/archives-family-history/contact-us/?type=email#online
Blue
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Frances, I have found below on Find My Past 1939 registers. Unfortunately I don't know how to add an attachment to this message.
7 Southport Road Margaret Murphy date of birth given as 17 Feb 1894, states she is married, unpaid domestic duties.
There are then three banked out, may be here children born after 1915.
Mary B Brennan (with her future married name as Stanton) date of birth given, could be 27 or 29 January 1915, states she is single, her occupation is School Teacher.
Regards
JeanC
Yes this info is correct re Mary B Brennan (she married Stanton)in ireland. Must have been living with aunt murphy. Appreciate all your help even though it is a little puzzling that the James Brennan death you found would have been buried in a public grave when he had family still one never knows the circumstances of thos times. Rgds Frances
Hi my name is Katie fitzgerald (nee Brennen)
Ive been doing my family tree for a while now and I have a james Brennen who married a mary e murphy, it sounds like this could be who you are looking for james was born Ireland 1848 and mary 1879 they had children James H, Joseph, Thomas, Margaret, Mary, Patrick J, Edward, Martin? the Brennen name started out spelt as brennan but somewhere along the years it got changed to Brennen not sure why though yet ? really hope this is the same family Ive been looking for more answers to see if I can find where they are laid to rest and if I have any surviving family, I'm due to come to Ireland in march for the first time to try to find some information, not sure if I can do this but ill put my email on for you to contact me it lets me, (*)
thanks
Katie x
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Hi Katie,
Welcome to RootsChat
I'm sure ballydw will pick up your message shortly. ;)
It is against the rules of the site to include personal contact details in postings.
This includes e-mail addesses, postal addresses, telephone numbers, etc. Spamming etc., So safer if you remove your e-mail address. You could always contact ballydw privately by the personal message system.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
Sandra
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Hi Katie,
Welcome to RootsChat
I'm sure ballydw will pick up your message shortly. ;)
It is against the rules of the site to include personal contact details in postings.
This includes e-mail addesses, postal addresses, telephone numbers, etc. Spamming etc., So safer if you remove your e-mail address. You could always contact ballydw privately by the personal message system.
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Sandra
Hi could you please advise me how to edit my post to remove my email, I'm sorry I didn't know it was against the rules, thanks for letting me know
Katie x
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Click on the Modify button on your post and you will be able to edit it. Then click Save.
Blue
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Frances, I have found below on Find My Past 1939 registers. Unfortunately I don't know how to add an attachment to this message.
7 Southport Road Margaret Murphy date of birth given as 17 Feb 1894, states she is married, unpaid domestic duties.
There are then three banked out, may be here children born after 1915.
Mary B Brennan (with her future married name as Stanton) date of birth given, could be 27 or 29 January 1915, states she is single, her occupation is School Teacher.
Regards
JeanC
Yes this info is correct re Mary B Brennan (she married Stanton)in ireland. Must have been living with aunt murphy. Appreciate all your help even though it is a little puzzling that the James Brennan death you found would have been buried in a public grave when he had family still one never knows the circumstances of thos times. Rgds Frances
Hi my name is Katie fitzgerald (nee Brennen)
Ive been doing my family tree for a while now and I have a james Brennen who married a mary e murphy, it sounds like this could be who you are looking for james was born Ireland 1848 and mary 1879 they had children James H, Joseph, Thomas, Margaret, Mary, Patrick J, Edward, Martin? the Brennen name started out spelt as brennan but somewhere along the years it got changed to Brennen not sure why though yet ? really hope this is the same family Ive been looking for more answers to see if I can find where they are laid to rest and if I have any surviving family, I'm due to come to Ireland in march for the first time to try to find some information, not sure if I can do this but ill put my email on for you to contact me it lets me, (*)
thanks
Katie x
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Hi Katie, I dont believe your Brennan family are the same as the one I was researching. If you would like to start a new thread and give as much detail as you know about your brennan family there are lots of very kind people on this site who will be happy to help you in your search. Regards Ballydw