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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: mysteries on Tuesday 12 April 16 04:34 BST (UK)
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Hello :)
Am wondering if anyone can direct me to where I might find further information on John Glover who was a surgeon in the Royal Artillery (this is how John is named and listed on the death certificate for his son George - excerpt attached)). I believe John was born around 1780/1 in England, however, I'm yet to discover exactly where.
His wife was named Elizabeth (surname unknown).
The only information I can find (and this is if I have found the correct John Glover) is information relating to serving aboard the HMS Pyramus from 1811 to 1814, then the Sultan from 1814 to 1815 and then on the Ajax from 1815 to 1816. The Naval Officer and Rating Service Records, however, don't indicate what rank he was, or whether he was in fact a surgeon.
Unfortunately, this is all of the information I have on him. I'd appreciate any pointers :-)
Regards
Meg
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Excerpt now attached below:
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If he was Royal Artillery then he would be Army, not Navy. However there are no Glovers listed in the Roll of Commissioned Officers in the Medical Service of the British Army 1727-1898.
What do you know about George's origins?
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Thanks Shaun
That would indicate I have the wrong information for John. I've not been able to find anything that at least lists the surgeons in the military from the early 1800's onwards.
All I can tell you about the son George is that he was born in approx 1816 (he is listed as being 31 years years of age at the time of migration to Australia in 1837 - ship Augusta Jessie). It is believed that he was born in Wittersham, Kent, however, I've not been able to confirm this, or the year of birth. George died in Australia on 26 June 1869.
Cheers
Meg
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Just further to the above:
I notice in Ancestry that quite a number of people have George Glover's parents listed as a Timothy Glover and Elizabeth Farris.
That said, not one tree has that information sourced or verified. One tree also has 'Timothy known as John' with no evidence to support how they know this.
Suffice to say, this information is being ignored by me until proven otherwise :-)
Regards
Meg
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All I can tell you about the son George is that he was born in approx 1816 (he is listed as being 31 years years of age at the time of migration to Australia in 1837 - ship Augusta Jessie).
Should that be 1806?
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The Glovers (George junior, 11 months and Mrs Glover, 24) are mentioned in the surgeon's journal of the Augusta Jessie- have you seen that? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10523558
Mrs Glover gave birth prematurely while on board but the child did not survive.
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Thanks Shaun :-)
I hadn't seen that information. It relates to George's wife Amelia and their young son George.
The death certificate for George indicates he was 53 years old when he died in 1869, so confusion reigns as to whether he was born in 1806 or 1816.
I'm starting to think that George's father John may not have been a surgeon at all, much less also being known as Timothy........aarrgghhh :-)
Cheers
Meg
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Could it be a misspelling for sergeant in the .... As said, there were no surgeons in the Royal Artillery
maxD
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Timothy Glover , born Wittersham approx. 1780 , was a Sergeant with His Majesty's Royal Waggon Train. ( His service record is on FindMyPast ).
A Timothy Glover married Elizabeth Farris 16 Oct 1803 Tenterden and possibly had the following children :
Elizabeth baptised 29 July 1804 Tenterden
Mary 2 Nov 1806 Croydon
Timothy baptised 16 Apr 1809 Tenterden
William 24 Feb 1811 Hythe, Kent
Matilda 16 Jun 1813 St Mary Guildford - this record with image attached confirms Timothy as Sergeant Royal Wagon Train
George 15 Sep 1816 Hythe, Kent
Bearing in mind that the details on the death certificate were dependant on the informant's knowledge perhaps they are wrong . I notice on the Passenger List that George Glover was a farm labourer which seems a little unlikely for the son of a surgeon.
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Thank you CB53
Most useful :-) I had found a Timothy Glover (as you mention) in the Royal Waggon Train who was discharged in 1817 aged 37.
I've also found, however, a John Glover who was mentioned in the 'Journal of The House of Commons', where a payment was made to him on 31 January 1817, apparently covering service between 11 August 1815 to 16 April 1816, 'for keeping the accounts of the expenses incurred on account of General Bonaparte and his followers'.
Also found a Major J O Glover in the Royal Waggon Train, 1st Foot Royal Scots. Not sure what the 'J' stands for.
And yet another John Glover mentioned in the Chelsea Pensioner's Service Records (birth estimated as being 1776), born in Maidstone, Kent and discharged in 1819 at 42 years of age.
Lots to investigate of course, however, I am curious as to whether Timothy Glover was ever known as John, or whether he had a middle name of John. As mentioned, a number of people have Timothy Glover listed as being George's father, but none have verified or confirmed how and where they have information suggesting Timothy was also known as John.
Am off now to check more on one Timothy Glover. Thanks CB53 :-) Much appreciated.
Regards
Meg
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Hi all
For anyone still reading this thread :-)
Am quite possible confusing myself here, but have found a John Glover in the Royal Marines Artillery. I need to check this further but as I am not in the UK, gaining access to the Archives records is going to be difficult.
The Royal Marines Artillery was formed in 1804 to replace the Royal Artillery units formerly assigned to ships of the Royal Navy.
Fascinating stuff :-)
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Just a thought but searching "John Glover" in the military area of FindMyPast in the early 1800s brings up 128 results, army and navy (which would include Royal Marines) - very few with personal information - good luck!
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Thanks maxD :-)
Yes, I'm fast discovering this is going to be virtually impossible to work out unfortunately. I'll keep trying though :-)
Regards
Meg
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Thank you Meg for taking my seemingly negative comment in the spirit in which it was made - I'm halfway through the 128 ;D
maxD
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Love the humour maxD ;D always appreciated :-)
Gotta have a sense of humour to try and stay sane whilst working through brick walls.
Sadly, I'm no closer to determining whether Timothy Glover was ever known as John ::)
Cheers
Meg
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Time to 'fess up. I've been a bit uneasy about the statement I confidently made in an earlier post that "there were no surgeons in the Royal Artillery". Recent research relating to the organisation of the armies at Waterloo (must get out more) shows that the statement was wrong. Medical services in the time of John Glover were not on a centralised basis but organised regimentally, each regiment having its own surgeon and an assistant. At Waterloo, there were 47 regimental surgeons and 94 assistants, each troop of Royal Horse Artillery for example had its own surgeon.(The Waterloo Armies - Haythornthwaite). Thus it is highly likely that, as John Glover went about his everyday business in his blood stained apron carrying his (t)rusty saw, he was indeed a surgeon in the Royal Artillery as the death certificate says.
Still doesn't help us find him but makes me feel better. Only 34 to go.
maxD
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Appreciate the update MaxD :-)
He remains an elusive character................ ::)
Cheers
Meg
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Hello,
I am a direct descendant of Timothy Glover and would be interest in anything anyone can tell me about him. I have a copy of his Army record but I see mention of a death record and also the possibility he was called John. Can anyone tell me any more about this ?
Thanks
Trevor