RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Carbar on Saturday 09 April 16 14:33 BST (UK)
-
I am trying to locate any information on Magdalin Lucke. The only information I have at present is that she married George Hosmer in 1585 in Rotherfield. George was baptised in Rotherfield in 1545 & they went on to have at least 6 children, all baptised in Rotherfield.
I have been unable to locate Magdalin's baptism or death & subsequently I have not been able to identify who her parents or siblings were.
I have found an Edward Lucke whose sons John & Edward were baptised in Rotherfield in 1592 & 1600, Edward senior may possibly be a brother to Magdalin?? I have not been able to locate a Magdalin Lucke being baptised in the areas around Rotherfield.
Any assistance in locating details of Magdalins parents or siblings would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
-
Hi Carbar
When I come across a situation like that I do two things firstly.
I don't know what sources you are using and whether this is at all possible but what I do is search using lots of different possible spellings for Magdalin - Magda, Magdaline, Madeline, etc and then search through Rotherfield records and note every other Lucke, Luck, Luke etc I can find.
It is possible that Edward could be a brother, have you checked out his marriage for any clues there?
Have you searched for any wills for any Lucks in the area at that time?
Kerry
-
Two things or possible three!
Sussex Marriage Index has her as Madeline Lucke married George Hosmer at Rotherfield on 14 November 1585.
I had to search on George Hosmer because my first search on Magdalin Lucke brought up the following:
Magdaline Lucke (m) married Ursula Pusanna at Rotherfield on 14 November 1585. Magdaline is down as the male!!
Confused!
I have also searched through the online source I use and could find no Lucke or any other spelling being baptised at Rotherfield Parish Church between 1545 and 1575. So did she come from somewhere else?
Kerry
-
Possible burial for her:
- Hosmer, wife of George buried at Rotherfield, St Deny (Parish Church) on 6 May 1632.
Shame it doesn't show her first name.
There was a burial for him in 1624 and had him as a weaver.
Kerry
-
Possible burial for her:
- Hosmer, wife of George buried at Rotherfield, St Deny (Parish Church) on 6 May 1632.
Shame it doesn't show her first name.
There was a burial for him in 1624 and had him as a weaver.
Kerry
Hi Kerry, just a thought, would she be described as 'wife of' if he pre-deceased her ? I guess the answer is yes if they are the only two candidates :-\ :-\
-
Good point Suey. There was a burial for another George in 1634 which could fit.
Kerry
-
1634 - Looks to be the better fit :D
Another possible. I have a Hosman often mixed up with Hosmer or Heasman ::)
-
Thank you so much for trying to help.
I have located basic details of other Luckes in Rotherfield from 1600 onwards - I am presuming these are nieces & nephews or even the following generation. I have also located other Luckes in Burwash who married around the time of Magdalins marriage - Alice Lucke marrying a Robert Iredge in 1574 & an Elizabeth marrying an Anthony Longley in 1583 but I have just hit a brick wall with locating her baptism or any mention of her prior to her marriage. I have looked through baptisms in surrounding villages, especially those that have any Luckes. It is possible that Magdalin was actually a middle name for her?? so maybe I need to revisit all searches of baptisms in the area in case it shows a baptism for a female Lucke with a middle name of Magdalin.
George appears to be a very common name for Hosmers. George had a son George baptised 1592 in Rotherfield & there is another George Hosmer of Rotherfield who married a Priscilla Poulter in 1609.
Thanks again for your suggestions
Carole
-
Hi Carbar
This morning I have had a look at a CD I have of Mayfield baptisms, burials and marriages etc and there are a lot of Luckes.
Unfortunately the parish register for Mayfield didn't start until 1570 so if Magdalin was baptised there it would probably be before then anyway. But it might be a start. I noticed a number of Margarets and Margareys as well as Margarite. Maybe a family name?
Mayfield is an adjoining parish as I am sure you know so might be a starting point.
Kerry
-
Just thought I would have a look at the PCC wills on Ancestry to see if there is anything which might be helpful. There a couple from Mayfield which might be worth looking at.
The first John Lucke who died in 1549 led me on a google search for a transcription and I came up with this blog, which might be useful, then again it might not but just in case you haven't seen it and it might lead you to a useful contact if nothing else.
https://mprobb.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/the-will-of-john-lucke-of-mayfield-died-1549/
Kerry
-
There's a burial for
I found the following burials in the Rotherfield registers
John Lucke, 8 November 1542
Margaret Lucke, widow 16 December 1562
Margaret Lucke 17 August 1585
Adam son of John Lucke 18 July 1625
Silverster Lucke, son of John Lucke , gentleman 22 June 1639
John, son of widow Luck - without 'e' - 20 Jan 1641
William Lucke, baseborn, son of Mary 26 June 1644
(from 1539 - 1837 registers)
-
Some more marriages in the Rotherfield registers:
Hugh Lucke - Jone Marchante 14 July 1600
Elizabeth Lucke - John Payne 10 Nov 1611
Mary Lucke - Henry Harvor (Hever, Kent) - 20 Apr 1612
There's a will for
George Lucke, Yeoman St Clements Hastings 1605
Richard Lucke, Yeoman Penshurst 1613
Thomas Lucke, Yeoman Bexhill 1616
John Lucke of Hastings dates given 15.3.1627 - 30.4.1628
Beneficiary ' Bennett' under age inherits small estate
1469 Heraldic Visitation (H.V.)
John Lucke of Fairecrouche, Wadhurst
1523 H.V
John Luck, Durgates Wadhurst Great Durgates
held to 1690
1556 Rotherfield Manor Court Roll Dec 6
Richard Lucke in default for none attendance by free tenants (10.3. 1557-8 and 10.6.1558)
22.10.1559 Christopher Lucke in default (see above)
14.7.1567 Christopher Lucke buried Mayfield. Married into Mayfield family. Son & heir Edward aged Manor of Hall (Hawle)
1586-93 Edward Lucke, Manor Bailiff
1626 June John Lucke held Churchcroft also called Crouch - Crofte
1642 July - John Lucke surrendered 13a of land called Margreede (Magreed in Broad Oak?)
Lots more on Mayfield which i'll have a look at...
-
The following Sussex wills have been transcribed
John Lucke, 1533 of Mayfield
John Lucke, 1549, of Mayfield, Manor of Sharneden (daughter Joanne married to Thomas Newnem Exec; and daughter Isabel married to Richard Maynarde Exec, daughter Cristian)
John Lucke, 1559, of Durgates, Wadhurst (Agnes his wife, Ann Lucke and Kathryn Lucke, daughters of his son Richard Lucke, son Edward, daughter Agnes) - father Wylliam Luck
John Lucke, 1563 of Warbleton, Yeoman (John Lucke son, Alice Daughter, Elizabeth daughter, Katherine daughter, Mary Daughter (witness Thomas Lucke)
Richard Lucke, 1593, Wadhurst, Yeoman (Joane wife, son, John, son Thomas, Son Richard, daughter Margaret married to John Barnham, daughter Elizabeth married to John Kingwood, daughter Dorothy Luck, daughter Joane, daughter Mary, daughter Ann married to Thomas Stapley), daughter Katherine, married to Barnaby Owen, son Christopher
Edward Lucke, 1598 Wadhurst (wife margaret, son Edward, daughters Jone (married Maynard), Elizabeth (married Peckham)
Abraham Lucke 1620, elder of Mayfield, Yeoman
Jeremy Lucke 1631, gentleman Mayfield (eldest brother John, brother Timothy, sister Susanne, sister Elizabeth, sister Margaret, sister Mary, sister Anne, aunt Elizabeth Peckham)
Elizabeth Lucke, 1631 Mayfield, single woman (brother in law John Maynard, mother Susanne Luck)
Hugh Luck 1633 Mayfield
-
Thank you Kerry & Jules for all your help with this, I really appreciate the time you have spent helping me with this. I now have several avenues to investigate so hopefully I will be able to progress further rather than the search just coming to a dead end.
Thanks again
Carole
-
Glad to be able to send this. Possibly all distant branches, rather than direct. I happened to be in the Sussex Family History Group Research room when I saw your query. Somebody has done extensive research into the Lucke family and deposited all the notes at East Sussex Archives (Sussex family history group files).
There's a will for Thomas Lucke, Rotherfield 1608, husbandman. Maybe a cousin from some later generations. If it's possible to trace his line back you may get some more clues. I can try to find his will on my next visit to the archives.
As her baptism probably predates 1534, you may not find her details. But if you can link her to a local 'manorial roll' you may find more info.
There's plenty of info on her descendants!
Jules
-
Just checked Magdalin marriage date again.. 1584 so her baptism would be after 1534 so good chance her details were missed in transcription! (or illegible).
-
Hi
I'm the owner of the blog mentioned in the last post. I'm researching the Lucke family of Mayfield, as my 12 x great grandmother was Alice Lucke, daughter of Richard Lucke of Mayfield. She married Magnus Fowle, son of Gabriel Fowle of Southover. Richard had a brother Thomas who died in 1552, and I suspect that John Lucke who died in 1549 was another brother. I'd be really interested to link up with others researching this family, and to see any other will transcriptions. My most recent post about the Lucke can be seen here:
https://mprobb.wordpress.com/2016/04/22/the-luckes-and-the-fowles-united-by-faith/
Best wishes
Martin Robb