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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: fishnibbler on Thursday 07 April 16 08:52 BST (UK)
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Hello Im looking for any Information on the father and mother of Charles E Ashcroft born in Benalla Victoria In 1872 and died In 1963, I cant find anything on the BDM Victoria registers, Ive found his son's birth and death, any help at all would be great thank you for any help and just for looking Mr John Ashcroft
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Is he the same person as Charles Ernest ASHCROFT who married Adelaide URCH in 1899 in Western Australia? If not can you tell us more about your Charles? Who and where did he marry? Where did he die?
Debra :)
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OK, I see that Charles died in WA in 1963. WA electoral rolls have living in the same area as Charles a Frank and Mary ASHCROFT, both Charles and Frank were Orchardists - perhaps they were related.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/87062978
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37388185 (3rd column)
Debra :)
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There are 3 ASHCROFT births in Benalla, Victoria about the right period.
Parents are John ASHCROFT and Elizabeth Helen GRAHAM. No marriage found in Victoria.
Children:
Francis 1865 (may be Frank mentioned by Debra)
Arthur 1867 (died aged 3 months)
Wm Hy 1869
Possible deaths in Victoria for John in 1891 aged 62 (reg 1666) and Elizabeth in 1895 aged 63 (reg 4645X1905).
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This appears to be another son of John & Elizabeth of Benalla, John Thomas - no birth reg for him either I can see:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65492085
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John Ashcrofts; Cabinet Maker; Flemington; date of death 17 Feb 1891
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hen/
Wife is Matilda
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Children:
Francis 1865 (may be Frank mentioned by Debra)
This birth year matches death of Francis ASHCROFT in WA in Dec 1948 aged 83 (reg 1, 1949, Canning).
See http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/207368540 and http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47633546
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Hi,
Melbourne Directory (Sands) 1870
Cabinet Makers
Ashcroft John., 230 Elizabeth Street.
Melbourne Directory (Sands) 1875
Cabinet Makers
Ashcroft John., Flemington Rd, Hotham.
Melbourne Directory (Sands) 1880.
Ashcroft John., Mt Alexander Rd, Flem.
Melbourne Directory (Wise) 1888.
Cabinet Makers
Ashcroft John., Mount Alexander Rd, Flemington.
Gerry
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The Coburg Leader 25May1895 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/66814141
DEATH OF ELIZABETH ASHCROFT.
On the 22 at No.10 Gordman-street Brunswick, Mrs. Ashcroft a widow aged 63 died. She was buried on Thursday last at the Melbourne Cemetery. Mr. John Allison conducted the funeral arrangements
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Vic BDM online index
Elizabeth Helen ASHCROFT, death registered in 1895 as ref #4645. Index has "Unknown" recorded for Father's name.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
ADD, another online index has place of death as Brunswick, Vic. :)
(supporting mollipops1 post)
Cheers, JM
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John Ashcrofts; Cabinet Maker; Flemington; date of death 17 Feb 1891
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hen/
Wife is Matilda
Vic BDM
Jno ASHCROFT death at age 46, Melbourne, in 1918. #13915
parents as Jno ASHCROFT and Matilda McDOWDELL.
Cheers, JM
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Re Matilda McDOWELL
Vic BDM
1871 birth William ASHCROFT, parents as John and Matilda (Dowdall) #10783
1876 birth George ASHCROFT, parents as John and Matilda (Dowdall) #23098
1887 birth Louisa ASHCROFT, parents as John and Matilda (Dowdall) #10106
Likely Louisa's birth cert will list all her older siblings names/ages in 1887, and the details of when and where her parents were married, and her parents origins etc.
Cheers, JM
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Vic BDM
Matilda ASHCROFT, aged 74, at Calton North, #13595
Parents as Alex DOWDALL and Mary McCartney.
( Add the above is a death for 1916 )
Cheers, JM
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The Argus 8 Dec 1916
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1631036
ASHCROFT. -On the 7th December, at her son's residence (Mr. John Ashcroft, No. 72 McPherson
street, North Carlton), Matilda, relict of the late John Ashcroft, cabinetmaker, Flemington, the dearly loved mother of Mrs. Alsen, Thomas, James, John, Alexander, William, and George Ashcroft (on active service), aged 74 years. Rest in peace.
Cheers, JM
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1892 Melbourne Directory (Sands)
News Agents
Ashcroft, Mrs, Mt Alexander-rd, Flem.
1893 Melbourne Directory (Sands)
News Agents
Ashcroft, Mrs, Mt Alexander-rd, Flem.
1904 Victorian Post Office Directory (Wise)
Ashcroft, Mrs Matilda., 33, Seacombe, st, F'roy N.
Ashcroft, T., 125, Walker, st, Ascot Vale.
Ashcroft, W., 32 McKean st, Fitzroy Nth.
Gerry
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I'm sorry I'm late In replying but I am in the UK, I cant thank you all enough for the quick response and all the replies, and for all the dates and names you have got for me, I will take In whats there and see if I can get the John Ashcroft birth Im trying to find if one of them came from the uk and is related to myself, my son lives in mildura and we met another Ashcroft from there and wanted to see if any relation my thanks to you all again yours Mr John Ashcroft.
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TROVE has these mentions:
October 1950 - obit for John Thomas ASHCROFT, born Benalla abt 1863, son of John and Elizabeth ASHCROFT
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65492085
Feb 1951, Obit for Mary Ann ASHCROFT, wife of John Thomas ASHCROFT (above)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65493479
November 1947 - report of 85th birthday party for John Thomas ASHCROFT
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70382921
Judith
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John Thomas ASHCROFT was born , not at Benalla, but at the small settlement of Durham Ox
This is his marriage when he would have given the information himself. It is therefore likely to be accurate
ASHCROFT John Thomas (Born DURHAM OX)
MCKEAN Margery
Year 1887
Reg 6679
This is his death and gives his mother's maiden name.
ASHCROFT John Thomas
Father John Broom
Mother Eliz Helen GREENLEES
Death Place BENALLA
Age 87
Year 1950
Reg Number 22487
His birth is not registered in Victoria, but age at death makes him a year or two older than Francis ASHCROFT If it is accurate.
Sue
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Good find, Sue. It will be interesting to see if this is the chap being sought by the OP.
The newspaper obit said he was "a native of Benalla" so I assumed he was born there.
Mollipops (Reply #3) gives a list of children who were registered in Benalla to John ASHCROFT and his wife Elizabeth Helen but has Elizabeth's surname as GRAHAM - perhaps she was married twice??
Judith
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John Thomas ASHCROFT was born , not at Benalla, but at the small settlement of Durham Ox
This is his marriage when he would have given the information himself. It is therefore likely to be accurate
ASHCROFT John Thomas (Born DURHAM OX)
MCKEAN Margery
Year 1887
Reg 6679
This is his death and gives his mother's maiden name.
ASHCROFT John Thomas
Father John Broom
Mother Eliz Helen GREENLEES
Death Place BENALLA
Age 87
Year 1950
Reg Number 22487
His birth is not registered in Victoria, but age at death makes him a year or two older than Francis ASHCROFT If it is accurate.
Sue
Elizabeth Helen's maiden name is shown as GRAHAM on the children's births (and John & Matilda had children in Melbourne/Flemington around the same period, so defiinitely different John).
No births in Durham or to a John Broom ASHCROFT in early Vic.
So a couple of possibilities here.
1. The informant on JT's death got his mmn wrong (and came up with Broom from somwehere!).
2. This is a different John & Elizabeth (though given the location this seems a major coincidence).
???
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Interesting - there is a birth of Thos Wm ASHCROFT to John & Elizabeth (nee PORTER) in 1860 in Inglewood (not far from Durham Ox)...
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Name: Jno Broom ASHCROFT
Father: Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Age: 80
Death Place: Wgul
Year/Reg.: 1905/11030
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Here is a birth for an Elizabeth GRAHAM. Given the mother's forename it's a possible for Elizabeth :-\
Victoria 1844 #7647
Elizabeth GRAHAM
Birth Place: Melbourne, Victoria
Registration Year: 1844
Father: Peter Graham
Mother: Helen
Edit to add: An on-line tree suggests that this Elizabeth GRAHAM married someone else :(
Definitely wrong person as she married Mr Blyth in 1865
Death 1935
Elizth Fisher BLYTH
Father's Name Peter Graham
Mother's Name Helen Young
Judith
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Feb 1951, Obit for Mary Ann ASHCROFT, wife of John Thomas ASHCROFT (above)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65493479
Judith
Here is the death of the first wife of this John ASHCROFT
ASHCROFT Marj
Father Mckean Wm
Mother Sarah BLACKBURN
Death Place WGUL
Age 58
Year 1925
Reg 7606
And his re-marriage to Mary Ann mentioned in his obituary.
ASHCROFT, Jno Thomas
JEPSON, Mary Ann
Year1928
Reg 5468
Sue
ADDING
Yes, different ASHCROFT family from the one being hunted by out OP ::)
ADDING AGAIN.
I'm not so sure it is a different family now.
Just an informant's error regarding maternal maiden name.?? :P :P
Sue
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hello all Ive just found out from Charles grandson he was married to Adelaide Urch so Dundee thank you you are right many thanks John Ashcroft
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Hello fishnibbler,
Apart from Dundee's find in Western Australia, there have been many other replies on your thread here. Have you read them and if so, has the information been of interest?
Sue
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Hiya sue thanks for the reply Yes everyone who has replied they have all been of intrest, leads of which I am trying to follow, again many thanks to all who have replied and looked at the request thank you all John Ashcroft
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Hi ,I'm an 87 year old grandmother,John Thomas was my grandfather, I know all about this line of the family
Grandmajune
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Hi GrandmaJune and fishnibbler,
I am a decedant of the Ashcroft family, and may have some information going down the line to me. I have been looking into the family tree and came across this forum and after reading it it'd be great to know if you had any other information around the family tree. It's my first time posting so still getting my head around how this all works.
Thanks :)