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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: LUV on Monday 04 April 16 01:39 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Wondering how to track a "National Teacher" after the 1911 census?
I am trying to follow Alexander Moorhead born about 1860 in Co. Longford and his family.
But it seems "National Teachers" moved around the country, is that a correct assumption????
I have Alexander Moorhead & family on the 1901 living in Curraheen, Rosscarbery, Co. Cork
With wife Ellen and 1 year old son John and Ellen's mother Mary Kingston.
I have them on the 1911 then in Church Quarter, Granard Urban, Co. Longford
Between the 1901 and 1911, Alexander's wife Ellen presumably died and he remarried in about 1908 to an Elizabeth (They indicate they have been married 4 years on the 1911).
Also 3 more children were born to Alexander which I believe were all Ellen's.
James in abt 1902, Annie in abt 1904 and William in abt 1905.
I believe by 1925 Alexander Moorhead and his family were in Ballina, Co. Mayo? This from a ships record that I believe were his daughter Anne and son William heading to Toronto Canada in 1925.
What records can I tap into to track them after 1911???
I am interested in finding out what happened to his daughter Anne Moorhead
Thanks all
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birth's
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01he3/
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second wife possibly Bessie Baylie 1906
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/d592b66767134
but is she his third wife see Margaret Moorhead died July 1896
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014914/005014914_00450.pdf
Margaret Donovan 1895 ?
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/491f177016265
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Thanks dathai ;)
3x married ... two wives dying young :-\
Seems all 4 children were Ellen Kingston's.
What does "National Teacher" mean? Is that just how Ireland refers to their Teachers?
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From the source where you found Margaret's will probated in 1906, Is there a Will for Alexander Moorhead by chance dathai?
I believe he died in 1944 from the civil registrations?
Anything that might mention his children after 1911 is what I am trying to find...
Thanks
LUV
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National School teacher is a Primary School teacher, the schools were created by the state in 1831 so every child could receive an education, the name National School continues to this day.
Example http://www.brannoxtownns.ie/
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I believe he died in 1944 from the civil registrations?
Anything that might mention his children after 1911 is what I am trying to find...
Thanks
LUV
Hello,
I can't see a 1944 death. Do you have the district?
There is a death in 1928 Granard District which is the right area for his birth and 1911.
Alexander Moorhead 73 yrs. The age is slightly out.
Are there any other details on the emigration records for the children?
Regards
Heywood
** added- have just seen the other entry 'Alexandrew' Moorhead 1944. I also note the two Alexanders in 1911 so the one above looks to be the wrong man.
Perhaps you should check the death certificate or perhaps see if there are any obituaries?
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There is an entry for the 1928 death here http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
But iPad doesn't like that site so I can't see it very well but think there is an occupation mentioned on the image.
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Hi Heywood and Sinann - thanks
Having trouble with rootschat today (lost two written posts)
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I think the earlier death may be Alexander Moorhead, Farmer.
I can't get the image at the moment to check.
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The Alexander that died 1928 was a CB Officer (Civil Bill ?)from Ballinalee,strangely enough his wife was elizabeth
Administration of his Will
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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Perhaps he gave up teaching and changed jobs.
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John A Moorhead of Ballinalee married to Elizabeth
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Ballinalee/Leitrim/582234/
Alexander Moorhead , Teacher married to Elizabeth
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Granard_Urban/Church_Quarter/583605/
Alexander Moorhead Farmer married to Eliza
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Ballinamuck_West/Creelaghta/585419/
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Thanks Heywood and Sinann ;)
I have been having trouble today with Rootschat :-\ I have tried a few times and my posts won't go!
From what we know, Alexander was a teacher. (actually stories said 'professor' but teacher works)
He had a daughter Anne born 1900-1910.
We know nothing about any of Anne's siblings or life in Ireland.
Daughter Ann ends up in Toronto Canada by 1930.
Found a Ships record 1925 that fits ...
So, I have been trying to make a connection and thus have been digging in Ireland in hopes it gives up something about Anne Moorhead in Canada.
I appreciate the help (and Heywood, I hope to have that marriage registration in the mail today or tomorrow so stayed tuned on who was who in the Liverpool zoo)
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Thanks Heywood and Sinann ;)
I have been having trouble today with Rootschat :-\ I have tried a few times and my posts won't go!
I've had trouble as well.
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The Salary Books for National Teachers are in the National Archive in Dublin.
They're large dusty books, and a mine of information.
Once you find your teacher, you can follow him/her from year to year, as transfers are shown in the books. Unfortunately, I think they're only accessible up to about 1918. And i presume they're not online (except for the following)
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/ns-teachers.htm
regards eadaoin
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Thank you eadaoin :)
So then to access these 'Salary Books' I would need someone to actually go to the Dublin Archives on my behalf?
Further, you mention they are only available up to 1918.
After that is there a similar source or some such to continue tracking??
They sound like exactly what I am looking for as Alexander did move about and I can only follow to 1911. I know in 1925 he was in Bellysokeery (Spelling questionable) Ballina, Co. Mayo.
Thanks again
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Very very long shot but if he was still working in the 1930s and if as you say he was in Mayo in 1925 than would you be so lucky to find he was one of the teachers in the Schools' Collection
http://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes
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Good idea Sinann
But I looked up Ballina and the schools that serve that community (Wikipedia) and from what I see none seem to appear on the list for Co. Mayo???
Unless I am blind ... but I looked twice.
Yes, and of those that appear, few are transcribed but what a nice surprise if he did appear!!!
Thanks
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Here is the death notice for the 1944 death - looks like him as described as an ex- N.T.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hea/
Where are you seeing Ballina, Co. Mayo ?
I looked up the 1925 shipping record for William and Anne Moorehead (Belfast to St John's) and the address is same as on the death notice, Drumreel, Moat Farrell, Co Longford.
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Nice one hasta.
I didn't know you could post a link from there, I see from the address it says 'shared view', does it have a time limit?
As usual I can't see him as the iPad will only let me see the top few but great find.
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Hi Hasta
So, the 1944 death is him ... great find with the ex NT ;)
They appear on two passenger lists.
UK, Outward Passenger and Canadian Passenger Lists
The UK,Outward asks "last address in the UK" and they indicate:
Drumreel, Moat Farrell, Co Longford
But on the other record, the Canadian Passengers Lists , when it says "Give full name, relationship and address of your nearest relative in the country from which you came" both Annie and William have:
"Father. Alex Moorhead, Ballysokeery, Ballina, Co. Mayo"
So I am not quite sure what to make of it??
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Yep the link thing seems to be new - saves typing it all out I thought !
But if not working here's what it says:
MOOREHEAD (Moatfarrell Co Longford.) April 7 1944 at his residence; Drumreel, Moatefarrell, Alexander Moorhead. ex-N.T.. aged 84 years. Remains will be removed to Ballinalee Church this (Saturday) . evening at 5 o'C. (O.T.). Funeral to-morrow (Sunday) at 3 o'C. (O.T.) to the adjoining cemetery.
Had a quick look in 1944/5 and he doesn't seem to have left a will or any Letters of Administration.
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Thank you for typing it up.
It's just the iPad can be very contrary with some stuff, I can see the top of it fine but can't see lower down unless I make it tiny and than of course can't read it as its too small but can't zoom in on the lower part either.
Drives me batty sometimes.
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Wonderful Hasta
Huge thanks...
Sadly no mention of his children ... :-\
I believe his daughter Annie might have cut all ties once she came to Canada as NO ONE living today seems to know anything about the Moorhead line ...nothing whatsoever! Not what happened to William or her other two brothers in Ireland or her parents ....
Annie died in 1968...and only had two children. Both are now deceased too.
She has been a mystery that we are slowly unfolding!
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it was probably this church, you can see it has a cemetery if you zoom in on the map in satellite mode.
http://www.irelandstats.com/building/st-johns-church-of-ireland-church-ballinalee/
Just realised its his anniversary tomorrow the 7th of April.
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Just realised its his anniversary tomorrow the 7th of April.
Yes it is ... 72 years ago he passed away ... and if it is him (the correct father of my annie), then with him I think went a lot of untold family history :'(
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Hi Sinann, heywood, dathai & hasta
SO, after a lot of searching and with lots of help a marriage registration was found today, in records here in Canada, that CONFIRMS my Anne Moorhead is the daughter of this Alexander Moorhead (National Teacher) and wife Ellen Kingston... my hunch was right ;D and I now have the proof
I wanted to thank you all for the great information you dug up on Alexander, his locations, his career, his death and on the entire Moorhead family (3 wives) etc.
I am now going to move to the Co. Longford board and see what anybody might be able to help dig up on Alexander's birth (parents siblings). And the Co. Cork Board to work on Ellen Kingston's parents.
A huge thanks guys :-*
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That's a great find hasta and a super result for you LUV!
Sinann, on my iPad I make the whole page small as you say, so that I can see it all and then make it bigger and it will slide to the one we want.
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New topic on LONGFORD board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745682.new#new
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I do make it small but for some reason when I try to make it bigger where I need it, it just keeps going back to the top, I'm probably not doing it right. I'll have to practice. At least now I know it can be done, Thanks.
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I have been researching Alexander Moorhead for 3 years. I found your information yesterday and to my surprise almost all of my information was correct. Your attached documents clarified many dates. I do know something about Anne Moorhead's family that came to Canada. Her brother John W Moorhead came before her. I think you have a lot of very pertinent information regarding Alexander's line and it may not be possible to go before 1800. I will write again soon but I think the collaboration you have experienced is just wonderful. Thank you to all who have participated!
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Did you read http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745682.36 ??
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thanks Hallmark!
I did check a secondary conversation but I noticed that nothing else has been posted by Luv since Oct 2016. I am not sure if she will see what I have added.
The secondary conversation does contain other information. Robert Moorhead, brother of Alexander (1859) did experience a similar unfortunate family situation. Both brothers appear to have lost their wives and had children. What seems very positive is that they did all come together to help. In the 1901 census, it appears that one of Robert's sons is with his mother in Co. Longford and the other is with his uncle in Co. Cork.
I am puzzled by something though. Alexander's children John W , Anne and William all went to Canada in the 1920's. Would you know how I could find out what happened to James Alexander?
I would appreciate any help.
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Well I have the g/yard photographed and submitted to IGP, there are Moorheads there but no Alexander that i saw!
Keep an eye on the Additions here...
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/index.htm#Additions&gsc.tab=0
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I did check a secondary conversation but I noticed that nothing else has been posted by Luv since Oct 2016. I am not sure if she will see what I have added.
Hi Ellie, I sent you a PM (personal message) on how you can email me if you choose. :)
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To Ellie Moor and Hallmark
Hi! I’m just beginning a roots search of Alexander Moorhead and very much appreciate your findings shared in posts! Is a birth registration available online for Alexander? Is it agreed that he passed in 1944 with son James present?
If either of you are interested in connecting by email I’d welcome it!
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Looks like he was born in 1859 as he was aged 45 years and 4 months in the “List of Teachers Employed by the Commissioners of National Education on 31 March 1905”
https://www.nationalarchives.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NAI_ED_PCO_10_1_24-Mayers-SMorris_Redux.pdf
So he was born before civil registration of births was introduced.
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Most appreciated John!
Gradually learning the potential sources for my research.
Many thanks for your help.
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Rootsireland has a baptism for an Alexander Moorhead born 4 Nov 1859, baptised 5 Feb 1860.
Of Drumheel in Clonbroney parish.
Church of Ireland.
Father John Moorhead, mother Anne Anderson
The same couple appear to have had a Robert (1862); John (1864) and Jane Ann (1866).
John Moorhead and Anne Anderson were married in Granard in 1858. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09551/5462799.pdf
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Many thanks! Confirming Drummeel too has helped.
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Many thanks! Confirming Drummeel too has helped.
Drummeel townland with Moatfarrell t/l to the south.
https://www.townlands.ie/longford/granard/clonbroney/drummeel/drummeel/
https://www.townlands.ie/longford/granard/clonbroney/moatfarrell/moatfarrell/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2310236#map=13/53.7451/-7.6441