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Has anyone a plan of the houses and numbers which used to be in the original Place. My Grandfather and Grandmother lived at no 17 Phoenix Place in 1910.
George Woodworth
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Hi George
I've had a look at my map and the only Phoenix I can find is Phoenix Passage. Could that be the same place? Do you know which area of Shrewsbury it was in?
Monica
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Hi George
Have a look at this link
http://www.mythstories.com/shutst.html
and on the map you will see Phoenix Place which runs from Mardol to Roushill. Click on Phoenix Place and read the story!!!
"History of the Shut
Phoenix Place leads into the heart of Victorian Shrewsbury's red light area, Roushill, from its entrance on the Mardol" ;D ;D ;D ;D
Jan
P.S. On a serious note, you could also try the Shropshire Archives in Shrewsbury http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf
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Hi George and Jan
From the description, Phoenix Place and the modern Phoenix Passage are the same place. I'll have a look at it when I'm down that end of town but I don't think there are houses there now. I'm fairly sure it is just an alleyway.
Monica
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Hi Monica
I'm sure it's just an alleyway too!!! and if it's the one I'm thinking of I don't think it exists anymore. Isn't it at the back of the new development of apartments that is being built on Roushill?
Jan
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Hi Jan
Oh dear - the town's changing too quickly! I don't get into town too often as my health isn't at its best at the moment BUT if I don't get in to wander around soon I may not be able to find my way round.
I've got a couple of books of photos of Shrewsbury over the years and I'm sure people felt the same in the past when huge areas were flattened for redevelopment.
Monica
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I've been reading about all the various shuts and passages in my hometown and remember this thread.
Woodworth, you should find this link interesting http://shrewsburyforum.co.uk/ar/t331.htm
Full details and photos of Phoenix Place.
Jan
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Jan
What a good site - and the photos are really good. I'm glad the shut isn't getting swallowed up by the new development.
Monica
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H Monica
Yes, it is a good site. I spent a long time yesterday afternoon reading all about the Shuts. I found it fascinating, and to think that I have lived here all my life and only used a few of them.
Jan
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Hi Thanks to everyone.
I am pleased that a little part of the history has been preserved, I will take a visit when all building work has been completed. Wonderful sites, I am still looking for the original layout of Phoenix place and the house numbers
Thanks again
George
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Hello,
Phoenix Place has also been known as Shackleton's Shut and Mason's Shut.
when Radio Shropshire did a programme called the century speaks they interviewed a family about their time living there.
hope this helps
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Hi George
Just read an old entry of yours about Phoenix place. I have just discovered that my G/Grand father and mother lived at No 5. I dont suppose you have any info about this place
Regards Graham Wilde
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Hi Graham,
Thanks for the message about Phoenix Place. Just to recap my grandparents lived there in 1910-1911, my uncle Antonio was born there in 1910. Phoenix Place has a lot of history the Phoenix Place entry is still there and the sign is still over the entrance. Better than me explain about it if you go on the net and put in Phoenix Place Shrewbury, also [b]Shrewsbury Shuts, [/b] then you can see the stories and pictures. There is new build around there but the Phoenix Place is enshrined in the History of Shrewsbury they have preserved the entry and all that surrounds it, but unfortunately not the houses. Have a look at the net and let me know what you think, please tell me what year your G/grandfather and mother lived there.
Best wishes
George
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Hi Graham,
I forgot to say I have been there a few times, its easy to find.
George
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Hi, My Great Grandmother lived in Phoenix Place too. I've been to have a look at it and now it is is just a passage but you can see what the size of the dwellings were by looking at the wall some still have the back fireplace holes. They were tiny. One of the relatives that is is still alive explained about how it was to live there. He met his future wife there too. Must admit I did shed a tear or two when you look at what has gone and the shiny new monstrosities they are chucking up around it.
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Hi, I don't really know the number my Grandparent's lived at, I think it was 17. I know from the information on my uncle Antonio's birth certificate that they lived there. I can't seem to find them on the 1911 census, it would have been very nice if I could. Sorry about the picture I must have chosen the wrong photo, its on of the families in Piscinisco Italy.
Best wishes with your research.
Does anyone have a plan of the houses and their numbers.
George
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my father lived at no 19 and my grandfarther & great grandfarther at 17 till the slum clerance after the second world war it used to suffer from flood waters
eveabrick
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Hi Evabrick,
Many thanks for the infomation. My Grandparents went to live in Oswestry after that and then to Chester.
Best wishes
George
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Thank you ...I found this thread very interesting my grandmother Elizabeth Tench wasliving at number 25 Phoenix place in 1926.