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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: karencregan on Monday 28 March 16 15:48 BST (UK)
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Hi can anyone help me or steer me in the right direction. I've been trying to trace my great grandfather on and off for years. I have him in the 1901 census then I got his marriage cert ,he was married in navan in Jan 1892 he was 21 and his fathers name is john cregan. I've tried to go from there but I cant find a birth or baptism for him in meath. I don't have his mothers name and I don't know where to get it as i thought it would be on the marriage cert. I'm a bit lost as to where to go from here to find him.
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Is this him in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Navan_Urban/Pollbwee__Pt__of_/1617959/
If so he was born in Meath and if his father is still alive there aren't a lot to choose from
This man seems a bit old but his children are quite close to Patrick
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Clonmacduff/Tullaghanstown/1622487/
It would be a place to start at least.
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This just isn't working out for me., think I'm too tired.
There is this chap
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/db4d5a5063259
of course you would have to buy the €4 cert and even if his father is John it's no guarantee
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The 1871 birth s probably this chap
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPT2-4D8
A John Cregan married Bridget Bray in 1878 and appears to be the parents of Margaret and Andrew
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGV1-W9N
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGG5-2GZ
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The marriage record shows his address as Brewshill which is in Navan where the marriage took place
In 1901 there is a John CREGAN living in Brewshill but on age would be a brother or cousin - LINK 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Navan_Urban/Brewshill/1617569/) & LINK 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Navan_Urban/Brew_Hill/726907/)
In 1911 there is a Lizzie CREGAN a niece aged 8 with Patrick and Lizzie SHAFFREY - LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Navan_Urban/Brew_Hill/726635/)
1911 census for Margaret and 8 children (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003079116/)
She states that she had 11 children of which 9 are alive; therefore one is elsewhere which could possibly be this Lizzie (see below for birth records for family)
However Patrick SHAFFREY married Elizabeth COYLE on Nov 15 1892 and I don't see immediately a CROSBY or CREGAN connection
edited to add
Michael CROSBY (parents Eugene CROSBY & Maria FAY)
m Bridget COYLE (paretns Michael COYLE & Margaret MAGUIRE?)
on Oct 30 1870 - LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635258#page/11/mode/1up) Row 59
any chance that these are related to Margaret CREGAN nee CROSBIE/CROSBY
and therefore make a COYLE connection??
What was the name of Margaret's father on the marriage certificate?
Civil Records for
1-3 Three children mother CROSBIE LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=cregan&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=1892&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=1911&locationB=Navan&keywordb=crosbie&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&locationM=&keywordm=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&locationD=&keywordd=&submit=Search) - Elizabeth 1902; Michael 1906; Eugene 1909 -
4-7 Four children mother CROSBY LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=cregan&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=1892&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=1911&locationB=Navan&keywordb=crosbY&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&locationM=&keywordm=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&locationD=&keywordd=&submit=Search) Mary 1901, Kate 1905; Patrick 1908 & Nannie 1914 (after census)
8 Margaret 1895 ? (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/533cb91986295)
9 James 1896? (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/4851501944583)
10 Christopher 1899? (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/1943af1624790)
There were at least two further children who died before 1911
LINK to Navan CREGAN deaths 1892 - 1911 (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=cregan&location=Navan&yyfrom=1892&yyto=1911&type=D&submit=Search) which has only a few possibilities
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Oh My god myluck. thank you so much. How? Where did you get it all its brilliant. As far as my nan remembers Lizzie went to live with her aunt who was a shaffrey. Margarets father was mick c crosby on the cert.
Im still stumped trying to find patricks father john
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Thanks sinann and dathai for the info i can work on
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Karencregan
No problem, at least it all ties in
Shame the Shaffreys weren't on the Cregan side though!
However they are living in Brewshill, which was the address given by Patrick and there is still a John Cregan living there who could be related
John CREGAN married Mary PENTONY Feb 21 1895 - LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/fe55737028379)
Witnesses were a Patrick CREGAN and Bridget PENTONY
unfortunately parents aren't listed on the transcription
Daughter Margaret (shown as Pattie in 1911) was born Mar 17 1904 - LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/8554d61094989)
There seems to be several CREGAN families in the area
but few baptisms which could imply a spelling different or lack of records which is unfortunate
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Hi Karen, while going through some old books I came across an original birth certificate for a Margaret Mary Patricia Cregan born 17 March 1904, parents were John Cregan, cattle dealer from Brews Hill, Navan and Mary Pentony. If this is your family I would be happy to let you have the certificate. Awaiting your reply,
Mary Fagan
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Hi Mary that would be amazing I would love that please. Thanks so much
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I will need your postal address to send the certificate to you as it’s an original, where do you live, we’re in County Meath.
Mary Fagan
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Hi Mary I’ve sent you a private message. If you dont get it will you let me know please. Thanks