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Title: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Sunday 27 March 16 19:21 BST (UK)
Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3). Here we go, week 3 already, almost halfway through!

This week will cover:

Using Major Source Types

We’ll introduce the main source types used by genealogists including civil, church, census and military records. While some country specific sources will be detailed, primarily we’ll give a sense of the typical type of data these records contain and how to use them in your research. We will also ‘visit’ a local archive and explore what they (and other archives) have to offer. A review of major international and some more local and specialised databases will be shared and we’ll consider how to evaluate databases.

Looks as if there might be some useful things there. Still not too late to start if you haven't done so already:    https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/genealogy
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: millymcb on Sunday 27 March 16 22:43 BST (UK)
Havn't finished week two yet. Will have to try and catch up quick :)

Good to see that they are finally dealing with sources.

So far my main thought is that they do seem rather preoccupied with name spellings.

Milly
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 28 March 16 01:48 BST (UK)
So far my main thought is that they do seem rather preoccupied with name spellings.
Milly

Agree Milly - I couldn't resist making a comment on one person's post who said that an ancestor "changed his name" between the 1901 and 1911 censuses. That "change" was the addition of an 'e' on the end of the surname!  :-\

Despite me pointing out that that probably wouldn't be in the category of an intentional name change as the 1911 is the only census on which we see the original writing and prior to that we see an enumerator's copy of the census so spellings may vary, I don't think he agreed with me.  ::)

Oh well.  :-\

It looks like there might be a bit more to get our teeth into this week.  :)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: hsfam on Monday 28 March 16 05:18 BST (UK)

Well, I just finished Week 3 (I'm in Australia so we get access to the course 11 hours earlier than you Brits! ;) ).

Not sure about getting your teeth into anything this week. I got through it faster than the previous week. Most of the additional links were to other sources of information (like how to apply for vital records in various US states) but weren't relevant to my current research. I just bookmarked the useful ones for later investigation.

Warn you now that in the quiz in Q2 while the answer is "All of the Above" you actually have to tick every box, including "All of the Above".  ::) 

Just want to save you some frustration. I ticked every combination with increasing blood pressure until I realised what was going on.  :)  Hopefully they will fix that one soon.

Oh, and the discussions in 3.8 ask you to discuss sources of information: "We are curious about what sources you consider most important for the geographic area(s) or time periods you work with."

...but in 3.15 it asks you to discuss what other databases you have found useful.

As you can imagine, a rather large overlap in potential discussions. If you aren't careful, you'll end up repeating yourself from 3.8 which can be frustrating. And you'll probably be reading lots of posts from both discussions that say the same thing.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 28 March 16 06:00 BST (UK)
At a loose end today hsfam?  ;D

Finished already?  ;D

The box ticking sounds a bit like what happened in week 2's quiz - three of the four replies to one f the Questions was correct, but I thought that the response was OK. In week 1 you could select an 'all of the above' option.

I suppose the advantage of getting the week's work completed early is that there would be limited comments to read. I generally have a quick look at some of the comments, but only those on the first page. There is a lot of repetitiveness in people's responses, so only so much I can be bothered with.

It's a shame this week isn't a bit .... um ... meatier.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: arkay on Monday 28 March 16 07:18 BST (UK)
I'm also disappointed that Week 3 wasn't "meatier".  I finished it in just a few hours this evening (after Easter dinner!), although I admit I didn't read all of the See Also's.  Perhaps it's just because I'm already so familiar with the documents that were being shown and explained.  Anyway, I'll go back and re-read everything during the week, including the comments - some of which have been much more helpful than the actual lessons! 

So far, it seems to be a beginner's introduction to genealogy, doesn't it?  But I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I will learn some new and useful info eventually.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: hsfam on Monday 28 March 16 08:53 BST (UK)

Hi Ruskie,

Ummm. Yeah.  ;D  We'll, there was very little that was beyond what I already knew. It was pretty basic. I found week 2 took longer because there were lots of side articles which lead me off in other directions. There weren't many of those kind of links in Week 3. So it just didn't really take very long.

And I only watched a couple of videos (Chris' and the archives one) and just read the transcripts for the rest. After reading everyone's complaints about the 'ums' and 'ahs' I found I couldn't watch the videos anymore. Thanks everyone!  ::) :P :)

I'm spending more time on the comments this time. Some interesting links to other sources. But I'll probably just dip in and out for the rest of the week and try to skim over the repetitions.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 28 March 16 09:45 BST (UK)
On the week 2 thread there was some discussion about what format was being referred to when the term Family History Sheet was used. I wonder if she meant the PDF that is attached to section 3.9.
It is called an Ancestral chart - looks like what I've seen called an Ahnentafel (sorry about German spelling - it might not be correct). OK for just tracking back generations, but doesn't show siblings.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Monday 28 March 16 09:52 BST (UK)
Having done quite a few FL courses, I now deliberately don't rush through the courses, but limit myself to a few sections each day. That way I find I spend more time looking at links and reading comments of people who add things later, some of which may contain new links as well. I found it too confusing to go back once I'd completed it.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: StevieSteve on Monday 28 March 16 10:14 BST (UK)
On the week 2 thread there was some discussion about what format was being referred to when the term Family History Sheet was used.

This is what I think of as a Family History Sheet

http://c.mfcreative.com/pdf/trees/charts/famgrec.pdf

(Link obtained through Cyndi's List)

http://www.cyndislist.com/free-stuff/printable-charts-and-forms/

Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Greensleeves on Monday 28 March 16 10:15 BST (UK)
I agree Jan -  you get 'added value'  from these courses by interacting with other students, either by helping them with their research, them helping you, or discussing various issues.    Without that, you might just as well sit and read a book.    Already on this course I have been given some fascinating and helpful links to resources from other students whose areas of interest are similar to mine, and these  have helped immensely with the research of my family in the 16th and 17th centuries.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Millmoor on Monday 28 March 16 10:18 BST (UK)
A very sensible approach, Groom. Dare I say that this is a good week for us to pitch into the comments and do what Rootschatters do best and point people in the right direction. I have already made a couple of replies to folk who were a bit unclear about Scottish records.

William
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 28 March 16 11:03 BST (UK)
On the week 2 thread there was some discussion about what format was being referred to when the term Family History Sheet was used.

This is what I think of as a Family History Sheet

http://c.mfcreative.com/pdf/trees/charts/famgrec.pdf

(Link obtained through Cyndi's List)

http://www.cyndislist.com/free-stuff/printable-charts-and-forms/

Yes I agree, I think some FT software will produce that sort of sheet from tree data, and it does include all the family. It would have been good if it had been clearer and a real example given, the first time it was mentioned.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Gillg on Monday 28 March 16 16:04 BST (UK)
I'm finding some of Talitha's references rather sweeping and too general to be helpful.  For example, she remarked that if someone signed their marriage entry with a cross it meant that they were illiterate.  I think we all know that there are other possibilities -  a) wives whose husbands were illiterate would not want to appear "better" than their husbands or b) people in awe of the minister who were told to make their mark with a cross did so, regardless of whether they could write or not. My ancestor signed his marriage entry fully in 1798, but he was an Ag Lab and I'm not sure whether he was literate or whether this was the only thing he could write!

There didn't seem to be enough warning that records are not necessarily correct.  It was down to some of the forum members to point out, for example, that ages in the 1841 census were rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5.

Still soldiering on and hoping for more detail.  It must be difficult to design a course for people from all over the world and give information relevant to everyone.

(Hurrah!  Just topped the 2000 messages mark! ;D)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: jennywren001 on Monday 28 March 16 16:38 BST (UK)
Agree Milly - I couldn't resist making a comment on one person's post who said that an ancestor "changed his name" between the 1901 and 1911 censuses. That "change" was the addition of an 'e' on the end of the surname!  :-\
Ruskie - that is priceless.

It's like somebody couldn't find their grandmother Isobel as she had changed her name to Isabel! Shouldn't laugh when I first started out I couldn't find a Robert Russell because he was listed as Robert Rusale  ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Romilly on Monday 28 March 16 16:46 BST (UK)

Oh dear... I haven't finished Week 2 yet!!

Romilly.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: SmallTownGirl on Monday 28 March 16 17:00 BST (UK)
Many more umms and ahhs, and an embarrassing  :-[ lack of ability to give a coherent definition of established church. 

On a positive note though, I really like Chris and her cardigan  ;D

STG
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Monday 28 March 16 18:24 BST (UK)
I agree about the clarity of some of the references to records, and really basic things like the not mentioning the rounding down on the 1841 and the misinformation re making their mark doesn't help an absolute beginner.

Perhaps they are trying to cover too much and over too wide an area. Several shorter courses, or even sections, covering different aspects might have been better eg one on records from the UK, one on records from the US, one on Australasia and one on the rest of the world. That way people could choose what they needed.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Deirdre784 on Monday 28 March 16 19:16 BST (UK)

Oh dear... I haven't finished Week 2 yet!!

Romilly.

Nor me! Been more interested in trying out Family Historian 6 having finally decided to buy it - should have waited until the course finished  ::)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 28 March 16 20:48 BST (UK)
Have to say, I've been disappointed with this course so far.

I don't watch the videos - being on a PAYG WiFi connection, with a limit on downloads.
But the transcriptions are not coming across as being very good?!

I'll try to stick it out, but not sure it will hold my attention? ::)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: StevieSteve on Monday 28 March 16 21:13 BST (UK)
To be fair, KG, what did you expect?

You clearly have more experience with records than most

You've said you prefer an unstructured way of working than using more systematic methods.

What's left? Record storage?
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Monday 28 March 16 21:24 BST (UK)
As Greensleeves said earlier:

Quote
you get 'added value'  from these courses by interacting with other students, either by helping them with their research, them helping you, or discussing various issues.    Without that, you might just as well sit and read a book.

I think if you just read the course notes you won't get much out of the course, the beauty of these courses, is that it gives you a chance to discover new resources that others use and to suggest things to them. Just as we are willing to help each other here, we can do the same on the course. I mentioned the fact that not all births were registered before 1874, even though the registration act came into force in 1837. Several people came back and thanked me, saying they hadn't realised that.

Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 28 March 16 21:34 BST (UK)
I'm not sure what I expected, really? Just "something more"? :-\

To be fair, this is my personal busy period, and I haven't had much time to read posts and respond this week (although I did a couple of posts tonight).
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: smudwhisk on Monday 28 March 16 21:47 BST (UK)
To be fair to KG, they did advertise the course as being suitable for beginners, improvers and those of a more advanced level, but so far it really has only come across as for beginners.  I debated bothering to sign up for some time, as I suspect it would really only be most beneficial for beginners, but thought as it was free I'd give it a try, whether I shall last the distance though remains to be seen. :-\

I like to think I have a methodical way of researching, but haven't found anything new to me so far.  As for FAN and Mind Maps, well as another RootsChatter has said, lateral thinking really covers all of these anyway and personally it is second nature, but that may be more to do with my educational and professional background.  I do though appreciate that for others it may perhaps not be so.

I find reading posts on RC about areas I'm not so familiar with as being of more benefit. ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Monday 28 March 16 21:53 BST (UK)
I would say, that the course is aimed more at improvers than beginners, as I wonder if anyone with no knowledge of how to start would be able to follow it.

I think that everyone just needs to take what they need from it, and if they find it becomes a chore rather than a pleasure, just stop doing it. It stays open indefinitely and as long as you don't actually click on "leave the course" you can return at any time.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: smudwhisk on Monday 28 March 16 22:04 BST (UK)
I think you're correct Groom, it probably is for Improvers.  That said, perhaps they should have advertised it to that effect. :-\  Having said that, though, the term Improvers probably means different things to different people, so even then I suspect there would be disappointment.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: panic on Tuesday 29 March 16 09:15 BST (UK)
I would say, that the course is aimed more at improvers than beginners, as I wonder if anyone with no knowledge of how to start would be able to follow it.

I think that everyone just needs to take what they need from it, and if they find it becomes a chore rather than a pleasure, just stop doing it. It stays open indefinitely and as long as you don't actually click on "leave the course" you can return at any time.

Those without any knowledge would hopefully have used the initial references. Unfortunately whatever level they pitched it at would have disappointed some. They aren't going to go too advance or be all encompassing, as surely that would detract from the MSc offering. A lot of these courses have a narrow scope, and they are really designed as peer-learning exercises. Hence the comments on "your experiences" and such to ensure students share comments and opinions.

I keep thinking, next week will be better, but forget that most weeks will just scratch the surface, giving an outline for students to comment and flesh out.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 29 March 16 10:22 BST (UK)
Have to say, I've been disappointed with this course so far.

I'll try to stick it out, but not sure it will hold my attention

I must admit that I was expecting a bit more by week 3.   I find I am now easily distracted back to rootschat and it's challenges  ;D  I will persevere though but won't be putting my hand in my pocket for the 'certificate' at the end of the course.

Rosie  :)

 
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Tuesday 29 March 16 10:49 BST (UK)
I don't buy the certificates as I don't think they prove anything. You can get one for completing 50% of the course, and to do that all you'd need to do is click on the completed bit at the end of each section - in actual fact you wouldn't even have to read or do anything!
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: california dreamin on Tuesday 29 March 16 10:51 BST (UK)
I agree with many of the comments here.  I guess for me I was looking for some hidden 'gem' of guidance that I'd overlooked and clearly I'm not going to find it.

For me personally,  the best bit of information (to date) is about the WW1 Glasgow military resources held at the Mitchell.

On the plus I do like the way Future Learn have structured their VLE (virtual learning environment)  I also like they way they are trying to incorporate things like the Google Hang out and that recorded message thing.  But, having said that they really haven't worked. 

Each section so far has been very repetitious. For example, I've just seen Tahitha talking about the census, I mark that as read and then I have to read almost exactly the same information on the next page..why?  I don't like the sweeping statements she makes or the fact "we'll look at that later in the course" she never gives us proper examples at the time.  She mentioned school records -  so exactly what type of records would an Iman or nun make with regard to an ancestors school life?

We are following Chris's story which is great. But why not use her family to show us how she is drawing up her family tree?

She started to mention research in France ( I don't have French ancestors, but would be interested to hear more!) and then she hastily stopped. For me, there's too many people on the course and the comments, I think are restricted by the very small comment box. The comments just seem very superficial. Like "WOW, great website" or " I never knew that". 

I'm afraid however the video's are still top of my complaints list.  She's like a large spider in the middle of some ghastly web 'umming' and 'ahhing' her way through family history 101.  :P

I would however like to acknowledge how much time and effort Tahitha and her department at Strathclyde have obviously put into this, but still some considerable 'tweeking' is required!

 
 
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: mare on Tuesday 29 March 16 11:19 BST (UK)
... and I agree with your comments too california dreamin, a LOT of work they've done for the Mitchell Library WW1 resources.

I'm just taking it as it comes, if anything a bit of a repetitive refresher course but I'm OK with that, trying to scroll through and read a few of the comments each step as I go as time permits.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Gillg on Tuesday 29 March 16 11:22 BST (UK)
It seems to me to be simply an adaption of Tahitha's existing course material, especially the videos with her sideways glances at charts presumably displayed on a screen elsewhere and the fact that she is looking at her audience and not at the camera.  Other MOOC courses I have done have obviously been developed specially for the FL series.

But let's not forget that this course is free (as is our own wonderful site, of course). ;)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 29 March 16 11:31 BST (UK)
As for the quiz I was surprised to see a question like this  ::)

Which of these is NOT a reason for an archive to be created?

a) to provide a space for people to have lunch

b) for the specific purpose of maintaining and preserving important records,

c) to provide access to records for reasons of historical scholarship

d) for the accountability of the organisation creating the records.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Tuesday 29 March 16 12:03 BST (UK)
 It obviously can't be a)    ;D ;D ;D    I always look for an archive when I want to find somewhere to eat. They must have been desperate for everyone to get that right.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 29 March 16 12:09 BST (UK)
They probably thought that they had better put in one easy one for those like me that had not been paying too much attention this week  ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Gillg on Tuesday 29 March 16 12:35 BST (UK)
OO...er...um...how silly! :D  Did they run out of ideas for a fourth option?
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: MatildaFlorence on Tuesday 29 March 16 13:12 BST (UK)
I decided to do it on a whim. Basically - what have I got to lose?

I'm a little disappointed that it's week 3 and we haven't really hit any major 'meatiness' as previously mentioned. Maybe because I've been researching for awhile...but so far it's really the basics as I see it, most researchers will already be aware of most things mentioned.

Having said that, I have enjoyed progressing through the course. It's free! And has been a good reminder regarding organisation...argh!
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Tuesday 29 March 16 14:46 BST (UK)
Slightly off-topic, but ...
It obviously can't be a)    ;D ;D ;D    I always look for an archive when I want to find somewhere to eat. They must have been desperate for everyone to get that right.

I work for a firm which has no canteen. A lot of institutions here have the rooms for canteens, but they are then leased to caterers. These caterers are naturally interested in making a profit, so they welcome "outside" customers.

In the past 30 years I and my colleagues have eaten in the canteens of

- the College of Economics,
- the Inland Revenue Services,
- the Universitary Library,
- an Insurance "watch-dog" organisation,
- etc.

No archives, but that is probably only because there are none in the immediate area.

:)
Bob

Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Lydart on Tuesday 29 March 16 16:40 BST (UK)
I've done several of the FL courses, and most I have found to be excellent; but this one .... no !   Too much emphasis on Scottish records, too basic, and I find Tahitia's presentation skills VERY dull (sorry if you read this !) but I skip her and just read the transcripts of what she says.   

Still ..... like RC, its FREE !
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: 3sillydogs on Tuesday 29 March 16 16:45 BST (UK)

I must confess I was expecting a little more.  I have not really learned anything new. Maybe next week will get better.  I see there is another "Hangout" on Friday.  May try it and see.

But I have got some useful sites from the comment sections that I hadn't heard of before so they have all been duly bookmarked for future use..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Wednesday 30 March 16 11:43 BST (UK)
Just reading this from 3:5

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Due to the influence of Napoleon and his advance across Europe, many areas under his rule began civil registration from the late 1800s. In many places, this system continued even after re-gaining autonomy. French civil registration records for example, date from 1792 and are held at registries in local town halls.

Is that a mistake, should it be "late 1700s"?
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: MatildaFlorence on Wednesday 30 March 16 11:47 BST (UK)
Maybe they meant to say late 18th century?
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Gillg on Wednesday 30 March 16 12:29 BST (UK)
Just finished Week 3 and have maybe learned a few things, but am finding the forums very frustrating, as there are so many comments that I don't have time to read more than the first page and then feel I may have missed something useful. That's the problem with having so many course participants.

Another silly "Quiz" answer option, and also my answer to one of the questions was marked "partially correct"!  This turned out to be because I hadn't marked all of the answers as well as the one which said "All of the above". >:(

Pondering as to whether to join in the Hangout on Friday.  It would be interesting to hear how people's queries are answered.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Wednesday 30 March 16 12:51 BST (UK)
I find the forums difficult to negotiate as well, as it is difficult to always find replies. It's a pity that there isn't a way to type in a person's name and find answers that way.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: sugarbakers on Wednesday 30 March 16 13:57 BST (UK)
I agree. The large numbers, and the social media style forums, are not promoting the good (linear) discussion that we have on RC.

I liken the "discussion" to a family history fair with everybody shouting at once.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Wednesday 30 March 16 15:05 BST (UK)
I'm just looking at 3:8  " Discussion: What other types of sources are useful?" and there are over 1200 comments and suggestions. I'm sure there are some good ones there, but do I really want to read through that many comments? What a shame there isn't some way to sort them into countries or types.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: sugarbakers on Friday 01 April 16 11:40 BST (UK)
Just totted up the comments so far ...

Week 1 ..... 35,318

Week 2 ..... 19,431

Week 3 ..... 12,128

Total .....  66,877

... this may be why I've given up trying to read them  ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Friday 01 April 16 11:48 BST (UK)
Interesting though to see that the number of comments has significantly reduced since week one. I wonder if that means people have stopped commenting or if they have dropped out of the course?
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: jaywit on Friday 01 April 16 11:50 BST (UK)
Interesting though to see that the number of comments has significantly reduced since week one. I wonder if that means people have stopped commenting or if they have dropped out of the course?

How many times can they keep repeating ' I've been researching for 20 years but I've learned so much new information this week' ?
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: MatildaFlorence on Friday 01 April 16 12:11 BST (UK)
Interesting though to see that the number of comments has significantly reduced since week one. I wonder if that means people have stopped commenting or if they have dropped out of the course?

How many times can they keep repeating ' I've been researching for 20 years but I've learned so much new information this week' ?

  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: jennywren001 on Friday 01 April 16 12:35 BST (UK)
My favourite has been "I knocked down a brick wall by using a wildcard"! I'm predicting a large drop in comments next week when the emphasis shifts from resources to thinking....but I could be wrong.
Jen


Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Gillg on Friday 01 April 16 14:01 BST (UK)
Enthusiasm is bound to wane a little as the course goes on when people find that it's not the magic bullet which will immediately solve their problems and that genealogy is hard work!  I'm sure we shall all take away something from this course, though, even if it's something quite small.

And of course it's FREE!  Not much is nowadays.  :D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: hsfam on Friday 01 April 16 14:05 BST (UK)
Most of the comments are the same. I've become good at unfocusing my eyes and skimming through until something pops up as different. Nevertheless, I can't do every page. For week three, I just check out the comments on the two discussion pages on alternate sources and alternate databases to see if anything turns up as new and interesting.

People always start to drop off from these courses. I know I have as unexpected life events interrupt or the course hasn't delivered what I hoped. Since these courses are free and can be looked at later, they tend to be very low priority in life and hence are the first thing to be dropped.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Gillg on Friday 01 April 16 14:19 BST (UK)
I must confess I dropped out of two of the five MOOC courses I had signed up for, mainly because I didn't like the approach taken and wasn't enjoying them at all.  The others were excellent and challenged me, but in an interesting way.  It depends what your motives are.  I want to extend my knowledge, enjoy myself and keep the old brain ticking over.   
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Friday 01 April 16 14:35 BST (UK)
Same here, Gill. Sometimes the information about the course sounds good, but it isn't until the actual course starts that you realise it isn't what you thought it was going to be about.

I did two excellent courses about WW1 so thought I'd try the "WW1 in a Hundred Stories" which looked at it from an ANZAC  point of view. The content was interesting, but the way it was presented was so slow - rather than videos it used a sort of Power Point presentation, but obviously aimed at slow readers! After week 3, I became frustrated as there was no way to turn the page when you'd read it, you had to wait. I gave that one up, but what I did learn opened my eyes a bit. I may go back to that when I have some spare time.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: sugarbakers on Friday 01 April 16 14:49 BST (UK)
I shouldn't really complain, should I ... I'd decided to sign up for the course and along came an email from them asking permission to use my database in the teaching material. Free exposure of my (free) website to thousands of researchers - couldn't really lose.

I've signed up for Maths Puzzles ... that might be very different.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Friday 01 April 16 15:25 BST (UK)
I shouldn't really complain, should I ... I'd decided to sign up for the course and along came an email from them asking permission to use my database in the teaching material. Free exposure of my (free) website to thousands of researchers - couldn't really lose.

Gosh, that's fame!  Did they actually know you were on the course, or had they found your database via a websearch?
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Friday 01 April 16 16:23 BST (UK)
Watching the Google Hangout - they've got the technology sorted out this week.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: CarolA3 on Friday 01 April 16 16:38 BST (UK)
I've signed up for Maths Puzzles ... that might be very different.

I'm just about to sign up for that one, and OH already has.  The air of enthusiasm in the introductory video makes a welcome change ;D

Back to the genealogy course - like others, I'm not interested in wading through thousands of unenlightening comments.  There are a few that stand out and I follow those people, but there's still a lot of 'I can't find my grandad' regardless of the topic under discussion.

The lack of any kind of search facility is ludicrous.  I've tried to clear up a couple of misunderstandings (mistakes?) only to see the same wrong information repeated in later threads on the same page.  I've had to give up the unequal struggle for the sake of my sanity ::)

If RootsChat can be likened to an upmarket department store (organised so that you can find whatever you need with specialist help), then this course is the equivalent of the last half-hour of a jumble sale with everything thrown in a heap - not much hope of finding anything useful.

I shan't be buying their certificate.

Carol
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: 3sillydogs on Friday 01 April 16 16:41 BST (UK)
Watching the Google Hangout - they've got the technology sorted out this week.

Me too  a vast improvement on  the last one.... ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Friday 01 April 16 16:51 BST (UK)
I've been shouting at the laptop - "It's not GeneOlogy!"    ;D ;D

I'm starting to wonder if that is what it is called in the US?


Also the question about what to do if you are abroad and can't get to archives, record offices etc in the UK. I was shouting, "Ask someone on Rootschat."  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: sugarbakers on Friday 01 April 16 18:34 BST (UK)
Did they actually know you were on the course, or had they found your database via a websearch?

The latter, groom, I didn't actually sign up 'til later. Just the request and a thank you, so I've had no idea how it would be used. It's on this week; possibly on Wk5, we'll see.
I'm too old to have expectations about these things, but it's always good to see one's work being recognised, and I always hope that others will see what's possible and begin databases for other occupations.

I've had a lot of encouragement from AGFHS, which actually got a mention on the Hangout today.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: california dreamin on Friday 01 April 16 18:44 BST (UK)
Watching the Google Hangout - they've got the technology sorted out this week.

Crumbs! I forgot   :-[
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Friday 01 April 16 19:12 BST (UK)
You can catch up on Youtube.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: jaywit on Friday 01 April 16 19:16 BST (UK)
Just tried to watch it on You Tube


Err Hmmm  Err  Hmmm  I couldn't watch her live in the flesh I would scream.

Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Gillg on Saturday 02 April 16 10:39 BST (UK)
I've just received an email from Quizlet, an online set of exercises which were connected to at least two of the MOOC courses I did earlier on.  They were attached to the end of each section of these courses and consisted of several different kinds of mini-tests.  It didn't matter if you got the answers right, as you could have lots of tries till you did, and it wouldn't have made any difference to your "score" if you wanted to buy a certificate at the end, but at least it made you think and get a feeling of achievement if you did get them right. 

The email was simply informing me that they were now available as an app on smart phones or android.  I don't have either, and I'm sure we would have been informed if Strathclyde had organised some kind of extra test connected to this course.  The fact that their end of section quizzes were so feeble suggests that the topic would perhaps have been difficult to treat in this way. 
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 April 16 11:42 BST (UK)
A few of the courses I've done have had tests rather than quizzes. In those you get 3 tries, so 3 points if you get it right first time, 2 second time and 1 the third time. Then you get a percentage at the end of the test. They are usually harder as well.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Saturday 02 April 16 15:23 BST (UK)
I'd thought of trying this course, when it was mentioned ages back, but I have the quirk that if I start something I HAVE to finish it, trudging doggedly through even if I hate it - so I'm really glad I'd decided I hadn't the time to do it!
So I was interested to read through this thread.
Having read all these comments, doesn't it come back to - the best resource outside of magical access to tons of original records is the wonderful help, guidance and advice provided on here?
Also free, possibly repetition, largely relevant, often witty and entertaining, rarely hesitating, ummm'ing or err'ing.....
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 02 April 16 15:38 BST (UK)
I managed to complete week three. Phew. I nearly gave it away.

Once again the comments about the course this week are SO amazingly positive. People who have been doing their trees for 30 years have learned so much this week.  ???

I think the only thing new to me were the Glasgow soldiers records mentioned early in the week. Interesting, but shame I have no Scottish ancestors.
(I have done a bit of research for friends and family who do though)
Oh, nearly forgot - I didn't know that Scottish censuses noted numbers of rooms with windows. Now that is interesting.  :)

I found most of the information given to be quite repetitive - lots of 'recaps'.

I am actually quite surprised at how little information they are giving - I think the limited time they have could have been much better spent.

Before signing up I thought we may have been given challenges or 'assignments' on which we would be assessed (obviously not possible with the huge numbers taking the course), and I expected to be given some research tasks.

Oh well. I shall plod on ................  :-\


Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: jennywren001 on Saturday 02 April 16 15:59 BST (UK)
I'm afraid I just had to correct the man who claimed the Scottish census was counting windows for tax purposes - he heard it from a tour guide apparently!

I'm thinking for next week there must be masses of threads on Rootschat that would help illustrate  ways to establish proof and evaluate evidence. Mind, it might help if they didn't come from me as I'm sure some folks must think I'm on commission!

Jen (Miller on Futurelearn)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 April 16 16:25 BST (UK)
Just realised who you are Jen! You're doing a great job on there, keep it up. Perhaps we need to try and find some threads for next week, I'm sure between us we could do that.

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.   Before signing up I thought we may have been given challenges or 'assignments' on which we would be assessed (obviously not possible with the huge numbers taking the course), and I expected to be given some research tasks.                     

I wondered that as well, perhaps not so much the assessing, but tasks designed to help you use different sites. They'd obviously have to just use the free sites and be available to everyone, but I'm sure it could have been done. The answers could then have been posted at the end of week 6.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: millymcb on Saturday 02 April 16 18:38 BST (UK)
Well here is a reason to go visit Scotlands People Site..... they are giving away free credits again :) :) :)

http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/heritage/find-your-scottish-ancestors-free-7658198


I have not done any of the course this week... made the mistake of signing up for a wordpress webdesign course (not on Futurelearn) and it is so intense...  The amount of information and the speed the tutor is going is incredible! Is only for this week so will try to catch up on the geneAlogy then... Although I have also signed up for a Futurelearn journalism course and still havn't got through creative writing yet!

Milly (keeping busy!
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Romilly on Saturday 02 April 16 18:58 BST (UK)
Thanks for the Link milly.

Btw, - I just noticed this, hope it doesn't affect the Scotland's People Site as well?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35928037

I too haven't had time for the Course this week... I will try and catch up next week.

I agree that it is all too easy to sign up for too many FL Courses at the same time! I've certainly done this... I had thought that it was possible to go back to them at a later stage, but in fact, they disappear from the folder! (Unless you save them seperately under another name? Perhaps someone on here would know?)

Romilly.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: jennywren001 on Saturday 02 April 16 19:03 BST (UK)
Milly,
Many thanks for that...I've just availed myself of the offer over a number of my accounts  ;)
Jen
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: 3sillydogs on Saturday 02 April 16 19:09 BST (UK)

Btw, - I just noticed this, hope it doesn't affect the Scotland's People Site as well?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35928037


Doesn't seem to just been on there to redeem my free credits  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 April 16 19:34 BST (UK)
So have I, thanks Milly.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Millmoor on Saturday 02 April 16 22:39 BST (UK)
Chris Paton's latest  blog post says that the Scotland's People Centre ( and the satellite hubs) will  be re opening on Monday and that their systems will be up and running (The hack did not affect the Scotland's People  website).

William
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: smudwhisk on Sunday 03 April 16 00:31 BST (UK)
Thanks Milly, last year's SP free credits were due to expire in a week so now have a few more to play with. ;D
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: millymcb on Sunday 03 April 16 12:02 BST (UK)
Romilly. The courses stay up for a while but I did notice that when I went back after a few months one had gone. But they were running the same course again so I just resigned up for that.

Milly
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Romilly on Sunday 03 April 16 12:40 BST (UK)
Romilly. The courses stay up for a while but I did notice that when I went back after a few months one had gone. But they were running the same course again so I just resigned up for that.
Milly

Good idea Milly, - thanks for the tip.

I was so enthused when I first found the Site, that I signed up for way too many at the same time. The Creative Writing one that has been mentioned btw, is the same Course that I paid for when it was a short Open University Course, - and so a bonus as a freebie(!)

Romilly.
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 03 April 16 12:40 BST (UK)
Jen (Miller on Futurelearn)

 ;D
I've spoken to you on the course Jen!  ;D I thought you seemed nice.  ;) :)
Title: Re: Free Online Genealogy Course with FutureLearn (Week 3)
Post by: groom on Sunday 03 April 16 17:44 BST (UK)
New thread ready for a new week:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745506.0


Please can a Mod lock this one.