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Hi,I am not sure this is possible but i am trying to locate a William Horton,wife Ann between 1812 -1841. Daughter Lydia born Jan 1815, and a daughter Mary abt 1813-1814 and a son James.William Horton is stated on Lydias Marriage was a Farmer. thank you.
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Whereabouts in Warwickshire were the children born?
When and where did Lydia marry? If she married before 1841 there is no point in us trying to find her under Horton in 1841 which is the earliest census
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Hi Lydia married in Oxford 1839. I have the Parish reg info for that. Lydia was bapt in Oxford 2 years after she was born. Mary has born Oxford on some census and Birmingham on another,same as with James, that's why the confusion.It might pay for me to leave it until i can find a bit more concrete info so i am not wasting anyones time searching when they may not even be there. thank you for replying.
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1851 shows Lydia Judd (Horton) b 1815 Hailey Oxfordshire
It also shows James 38 and Lydia 36. However - there are 3 children born well before an 1839 marriage. Ages 20/18/15. These children are with them in 1841 aged 10, 8 and 5 respectively.
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1851 shows Lydia Judd (Horton) b 1815 Hailey Oxfordshire
It also shows James 38 and Lydia 36. However - there are 3 children born well before an 1839 marriage. Ages 20/18/15. These children are with them in 1841 aged 10, 8 and 5 respectively.
Thank you very much for replying.
I don't think this is the right family although they could be related.Does it have the names of the children?
My James is in Oxford in the 51 census and Lydia is in Deddington, married.
William Horton and Ann Horton (willis) married in Oxford 1811. Lydia and James were bapt Oxford city. William Horton and Ann also had a son William and a Daughter Mary before Lydia and James. . I had a feeling that William Horton and Ann may have moved to Birmingham after their marriage in 1811 and had Son William and Daughter Mary (b1813-1814) as Mary had( born Birmingham) on one of the census after she married.Then moved back to Oxford. Sorry i did get a bit confusing with my earlier post.
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CaroleW was talking about this Census;
James Judd. 38
William Judd, 77
Lydia Judd, 36
Mark Judd, 26
Job Judd, 18
David Judd, 15
Mathew Judd, 13
Daniel Judd, 9
George Judd, 7
Charles Judd, 5
Alfred Judd, 3
Fredrick Judd, 1
Lydia Judd, 1 Mo
1841;
James Judd, 25
Lydia Judd, 25
Mark Judd, 10
Job Judd, 8
David Judd, 5
Mathew Judd, 3
This is your Lydia?
So James was Widowed when he married 1839?
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1851 Census Lydia Ann Judd age 9 (born c Witney, Oxfordshire) is with her Aunt/Uncle Joseph/Mary LEAKE in Surrey.
Mary born c 1817 Witney, Oxfordshire
Possibly the one aged 1 mth on 1841 Census.
Joseph LEAKE Marriage Reg Dec 1841 Lambeth, Mary JUDD on same page
So Mary is likely a Sister of James Judd.
Is this the Mary you thought was Marys Sister?
Can you type up the Christening you have found for Lydia please.
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So Mary is likely a Sister of James Judd.
Is this the Mary you thought was Marys Sister?
Can you type up the Christening you have found for Lydia please.
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Horton Lydia do of William and Ann Oxford St Mary Magdalen Feb 1817
Horton James so William and Ann Oxford St Mary Magdalen April 1819
Lydia Horton married Thomas Matthews St Michaels March 1839
I am sure the above is not the same family,although could be related as had relations in Birmingham. I am still tring to find a birth for Lydias sister and brother Mary Horton abt 1814 and William abt 1812-1813. It has been suggested they were born Birmingham as on one of the census for Mary after her marriage, i think the 51 or 61 had she was born Birmingham, so trying to see if i could find any bapts there for them.
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I confess that I've been terribly confused too until some clarification in your last posting.
So, Lydia Horton married Thomas Matthews in 1839 (not James Judd who was one of the possible grooms) - according to online trees the Lydia who married the James Judd whose census details have been listed here was a Lydia Fawdrey).
Since online records for Oxfordshire are virtually non-existent it's hard to confirm the details for marriages/baptisms you quote. Where did you get the information of the 2 baptisms for Lydia and James?
Since there is no sign of William and Ann Horton in census records one presumes both were deceased by 1841.
How do you know there was a sister Mary and a brother William anyway?
(A Mary Ann Horton was baptised 27/4/1815 Birmingham dau. of a William and Ann but this William was just a labourer, not a farmer) but no William with these parents).
When you mention people that married can you please ensure you give their spouses names too? As it is, first it was thought that the marriage in 1839 was to a James Judd when it was in fact Thomas Matthews, and we can't check on the details for Mary because we've no idea who she married. Do you see what I mean?
Annette
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Ok, thanks for the Christenings and now i know that Lydia married Thomas Matthews.
Back later.
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1841 Census
Wigginton, Oxfordshire
HO107/875/19/Wigginton
William Horton, 48, Farmer
Helen Horton, 45
James Horton, 46
All NOT born in County
Image for Williams age is blurry so may be incorrect.
Marriage Reg 1842 Banbury;
William Perrott Horton and Mary Apletree on same page
1851 Census
HO107/1733/61/4
William Perrott HORTON, 64, Head, Mar, Farmer 167 Acres, born Sutton Under Brailes, Worcestershire
Mary, 50, Wife, Mar, born Banbury, Oxfordshire
Thomas Appletree, 20, Son in Law (Stepson), Unm, Farmer, born Banbury
Hannah Morgan, 14, Servant
1861 he is William Parriott Horton born 1787 Sutton, Gloucestershire
Death Reg;
Name: William Perrott Horton
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Banbury, 3a 378
Have no idea if he is yours but Occp matches.
Who were the Witnesses to the 1839 Marriage of Lydia?
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1851 Census Helen/James from 1841 Census are still in Wigginton;
James born c 1790 Evenlaod, Worcs, Occp Farmers Bailiff
Helen, Sister born c 1789 Evenload
Both Unmarried
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I confess that I've been terribly confused too until some clarification in your last posting.
Since online records for Oxfordshire are virtually non-existent it's hard to confirm the details for marriages/baptisms you quote. Where did you get the information of the 2 baptisms for Lydia and James?
Since there is no sign of William and Ann Horton in census records one presumes both were deceased by 1841.
How do you know there was a sister Mary and a brother William anyway?
(A Mary Ann Horton was baptised 27/4/1815 Birmingham dau. of a William and Ann but this William was just a labourer, not a farmer) but no William with these parents)
Annette
Hi, i am sorry for the confusion, i should have been more precise. I have a relation in York who descends from Mary Horton, where as i descend from Lydia.
William Horton (labourer) m Ann Willis (Lodger) st Aldate Oxford 1811. Lydia and James parents.
In the 1841 census Oxford Lydia Hortons brother James bapt 1819 and Thomas bapt 1824 are living in the household of William and Anne Willis in their 70s so i am assuming grandparents.Lydia was married by then.
Ann Horton (Willis) married again to
George Washbrook shoemaker wid marry Ann Horton 12-6-1838, witness Jonathan Temple.(from OFHS ) They moved to Birmingham.
The Temple family were living in Oxford for the 1841 census, and probably 1838 and one of their sons Newlands was born then in Oxford,then they were in York by the 1851 census.
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Lydia Horton m Thomas Matthews Mary Horton m Jonathan Temple
1839 St Michaels Oxford 1834 St Cuthberts York
Elizabeth Lydia Matthews dau married Alfred Charles Temple son
MaryTemple (Horton) died 1-7-1878 age 64 which puts her birth 1814ish. I have a copy of a rememberence card from family documents kept. It was also suggested from the OFSH that there is a good probability that Mary was a daughter of William and Ann Horton as he suggested from the info he gave me that they spent a significant time away from Oxford and it was unusual that they waited until 1817 to have first child Lydia. There is also a death for a William Horton 1838 age 25 St Ebbe Oxford which could be the missing son William if there was one. but no Birth for Mary or William in Oxford.
I know quite a bit of this is speculation with out proof, but a lot sort of fits with the Horton-Temples, considering Jonathan Temple was a witness to Ann Hortons second marriage,and by then he was married to Mary Horton. I suppose i have confused you more, i just about confused myself.
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I confess that I've been terribly confused too until some clarification in your last posting.
Since online records for Oxfordshire are virtually non-existent it's hard to confirm the details for marriages/baptisms you quote. Where did you get the information of the 2 baptisms for Lydia and James
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Hi, i got the bapts for Lydia Horton and James Horton from OFHS. I asked them for a search.They are very helpful . It has taken me nearly 2 years to find any record of Lydia birth then someone finally put me on to OFHS. thanks. I have all the info on Lydia Horton i need. It was mainly to try and prove either way if Mary Horton was indeed Lydia sister. there are things pointing to it but no proof. My relation who descends from Mary has the marriage of Mary in 1834 but no parent mentioned. thanks again.