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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Waipu on Thursday 24 March 16 04:37 GMT (UK)
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My mother-in-law Lerna Lee nee Weir was born in Drumheller, Alberta in January 1919/20. Her parents were Orin Weir and Georgina nee Ross/Cooper. They are both buried in Langley BC. We would like to know their dates of birth and where and when they were married. Orin's parents were James Weir and Mary nee Butler. Again we have no knowledge of dates of birth or even where they were born. We believe Georgina's mother was Margaret Cooper/Ross. My husband's family emigrated to New Zealand when he was a young boy and as his mother has ben dead for almost 30 years we have no one to ask about these details. Thank you to anyone who can help.
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Orin's 1975 death certificate gives his birth date and place of birth: November 26, 1887 - Illinois, U.S.A.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hbi/
sami
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.....and the 1969 death certificate of Georgina Rose Weir has a birth date of November 24, 1891 - Scotland:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hbj/
Hope you can open these attachments since they also give the parents names and other details.
sami
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For everyone's benefit just adding a previous RootsChat topic with some similar information:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=458787.0
sami
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Orin (transcribed as Owen) & Georgina found in 1916 census living east of Calgary Alberta in Township 24 Range 26 west of the 4th meridian (see below for explanation) children Margaret Mary age 2 & James Francis age 8 months.
Orin (transcribed as Alen) & Georgina in 1921 census living on NW 12-24-26 4W with children Margaret M 6, James F 4, Lerner Lee 2 & Orin H 2 weeks old.
If you go to whichever online mapping program you use and enter the following exactly as shown you will find the location of the farm on which they were living in 1921. The closest town to this farm is Strathmore Alberta which is a fair distance away from Drumheller.
51.0308, -113.5052
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Orin was in the 1911 census living near Strathmore, he was single and working on a farm. From the census data it seems likely that Orin & Georgina were married about 1813 near Strathmore and that Lerner Lee Weir was likely born on the family farm on Section 12-24-26 W4 near Strathmore Alberta in 1919. Suggest you purchase a search for this marriage and birth from this site.
http://www.servicealberta.com/family-and-life-events.cfm
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Thank you for all your help. Interesting how important it is that we spell or copy correctly. Orin has changed so often as has Lerna/er/e.
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The death certificate of Georgina gives birthdate of 24 November 1891 and parents as John Grant and Margaret Cooper. Not exactly correct though.
She was born as Georgina Ross Cooper and was indeed born on 24 November but in 1890 (not 1891) in New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire - the illegitimate daughter of Margaret Cooper, domestic servant.
In 1891 Census she is living with her maternal grandmother Ann Cooper and in 1901 is with her mother Margaret and stepfather Francis Grant.
Margaret Cooper, 28 married Francis Irvine Grant 30 on 15 April 1899 St. Machar, Aberdeenshire.
(his parents James Grant and Elizabeth Alexander, her parents George Cooper and Ann Corbet).
Margaret was born Margaret Clark Cooper on 23 June 1870 New Pitsligo and her parents (as above) married 27 March 1864 New Pitsligo.
Annette
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Thank you for all that information on Georgina. Wondering now if Rose was really her middle name or was it Ross. My own grandmother was a GRANT from Banffshire. Great to have more ibformation for the family tree. Again, thank you.
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The attached newspaper clipping was published on a Saturday, counting back to Wednesday makes the date of the marriage July 16, 1913. Wonder where the name Ida came from?
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The attached birth fits with the 8 month old James Francis Weir found in the 1861 census. The paper was published on a Wednesday so birth was on October 21, 1915.
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This birth is a puzzle, we know there was a daughter Margaret Mary born about 1914, suspect paper had gender wrong. Birth day June 2, 1914.
Issues of the Strathmore Standard from January 1919 not found on Peel's Prairie Provinces so no luck finding Lerna Lee.
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Stranger and stranger. Now the name Ida.. I have a deceased aunt also named Georgina and she was always called Ina. Wonder if Ida was just another diminutive. Interesting how the birth notices are written. All this wonderful information is making my husband more interested in his family background . Thank you.
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Hi, I just came across your entry about Georgina Ross Cooper. I am Georgina Ross Cooper's Great niece.
Georgina Ross Cooper was the illegimate child of my great grandmother Margaret Clark Cooper. Georgina was born in New Pitsligo, Scotland in 1890. She moved to Canada with her husband Ernest Barclay and their 3 children in 1920.
Hope this helps
rodneycatt
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rodneycatt - oh dear, knew something wasn't right when I read your posting as how could Georgina Cooper be married to Orin Weir and Ernest Barclay at the same time!
The Georgina's here would appear to be 2 separate people and it would appear that your information re. your Georgina's origins is incorrect. Oh why did it have to be me to find this out!
Have looked at the marriage certificate (16/7/1909) St. Nicholas, Aberdeen between Ernest Ross Barclay and Georgina Cooper. and Georgina is shown as aged 20, BUT she is shown as the daughter of George Cooper, Mason (journeyman) and Margaret Cooper, nee Wood - I then subsequently looked for her on the census for 1891 and she is with her parents in Old Machar, Aberdeen and various siblings living at Donald's Place, Forbes Street, Aberdeen.
Your Georgina Cooper (birth and marriage as plain Georgina) was born 9th May 1889 Old Machar, Aberdeen at the address where her family were living on 1891 census and her birth certificate shows her parents George Cooper and Margaret Wood married 8th December 1877 Ellon, Aberdeen (when George married Margaret he was 34 and a widower, she 27 spinster).
George Coopers first wife would appear to be a Margaret Robb whom he married 1866 St. Nicholas, Aberdeen and she died in 1875.
George himself was born circa 1843 Inverurie, Aberdeenshire to Robert Cooper and Elizabeth Robb. I wonder if he and his first wife Margaret were possibly related.
I really am so sorry to destroy your believed family history re. your Georgina Cooper and hope what I have related to you above will ensure you can now proceed down the right path. As I said earlier, you can easily confirm what I say by looking at the relevant certificates on Scotlands People. In this instance, the most important one being the marriage certificate of Ernest Ross Barclay and Georgina Cooper which confirms that your Georgina was not the illeg. dau. of Margaret Clark Cooper and was in fact born (a year earlier) lawfully to George Cooper and Margaret, nee Wood.
You do not have to just take my word for all of this. You can view copies of the relevant certificates on Scotlands People by purchasing credits. I can only assume Ernest Ross Barclay and your Georgina Cooper's marriage certificate of 1909 has never been looked at before and that somehow the Georgina Ross Cooper of this thread born 24/11/1890 New Pitsligo has been believed to be the one who married Ernest - perhaps because of the Ross in her name.
However, your Georgina was not illegitimate, was born 9/5/1889 Old Machar, Aberdeen to parents George Cooper, Mason and Margaret Cooper, nee Wood and her birth and marriage are as plain Georgina. Perhaps she added the Ross (from her fathers name) to her own name later.
Think I'll now lock myself away in a darkened room to recover!
Annette
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Thank you Annette for fixing that up. Just quickly read rodneycatt details yesterday but was a bit busy to reply. Easy to make a mistake. Am sure I have Georgina's info correct now and plan to visit her parents' graves very soon.
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Hi,
I agree the marriage to Ernest could be wrong so I will check that. But I do know that my Georgina Ross Cooper was the illegimate child of Margaret Clark Cooper my Great Grandmother. As I have her her birth details and she was on the 1911 Census living with My Great Grandparents Francis Irvine Grant and Margaret Clark Cooper and my grandfather William Alexander Grant and Great Aunt Mary Anderson Grant.
On this census Georgina was down as Step-daughter to the head of house.
I also have a photograph of the family all together.
Hope this clarify a few things
Rodneycatt
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Rodneycatt I do think we have a match. How can I personal message you to give you some information?
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Rodneycatt, I can only personal message you if you have at least 3 postings on Rootschat. Think you have only two. If you reply to this you will have one more and then I can contact you. I am travelling from New Zealand to the UK next week and plan to be in New Pitsligo to look at graves.Would love to know more of husband's grandmother as he knows so little.
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Have just done some more checking on this and have found a tree on ancestry which shows the correct birthdate of 9/5/1889 for the Georgina Cooper who married Ernest Barclay, but states birthplace as New Pitsligo, not Old Machar. It also shows the correct parents as George Cooper and Margaret Wood.
Georgina Barclay, nee Cooper (have seen copy of death certificate) died 31/3/1931 at Walkerville, Essex, Ontario and birthplace/parents agree.
However, what is worrying is that the tree owner attaches links to the 1891 and 1901 census BUT both these relate to Georgina R. Cooper, (illeg. dau. of Margaret Clark Cooper) who is with her maternal grandmother in 1891 and with her mother and stepfather in 1901! The correct 1891 and 1901 census entries for Georgina Cooper born 9/5/1889 show her living with her parents and siblings.
Certainly the death dates for the 2 Georgina's are as follows:
Georgina Barclay, nee Cooper, born 9/5/1889 died 31/3/1931 Walkerville, Essex, Ontario (wife of Ernest Ross Barclay)
Georgina Ross Weir, nee Cooper (illeg. dau. of Margaret Clark Cooper) born 24/11/1890 died 2/6/1969 Fort Langley, British Colombia (wife of Orin Weir).
The 2 Georgina's born just a year apart in Aberdeen both ended up living in Canada, one on the east side, the other on the west.
I was just so concerned, rodneycatt, when you referred to your Georgina marrying Ernest Barclay when I knew that Georgina Ross Cooper, born 1889 illeg. dau. of Margaret Clark Cooper, had married Orin Weir. Only you can know whether your Georgina died as Barclay 1969 in British Colombia or as Weir 1931 in Ontario.
(One things for sure, the owner of the ancestry tree has clearly confused the two).
Annette
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Got curious about the John Taylor who was named as Ida's uncle in the marriage notice I posted earlier.
On 9 Sep 1892 in Aberdeen John Taylor, 25, blacksmith, son of Alexander Taylor & Jane Metcalf married Elizabeth Cooper, 25, daughter of George Cooper & Ann Corbet.
This couple and their children John, Ann C, Alexander & Mary A P are found in the 1901 Aberdeen census and with children John I, Annie, Mary & Frank in the 1911 Strathmore census.
I think it is obvious that Georgina Cooper wound up in Strathmore Alberta because her mother's sister Elizabeth was there before her.
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Thank you Annette and manawakian. Georgina Weir is definitely buried at Fort Langley. I have a photo of her gravestone and that of her husband Orin. Always interesting to know why people move from one place to another.
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In the 1871 census at 120 High St, Tyrie, New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire are found Ann Cooper, 27, ploughman's wife and her 3 daughters Ann 7, Elisabeth 3 & Margeret 0. No sign of George, he must have been off ploughing somewhere.
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In the 1881 census at 141 High St, Tyrie, New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire are found George Cooper, 41, farm servant, his wife Ann, 37, their children, Ann 16, Maggie 10, George 6, Joan 2. There is also a child less than one year old named Mary B Reid who is shown as a granddaughter? Elisabeth is missing from this household.
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Found Elizabeth Cooper, 13, in 1881 census at Farm House Broom Hill, Tyrie, New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire at the home of her uncle John Corbett. Note when Elizabeth married John Taylor her mother's maiden name was given as Corbet.
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On 27 Mar 1864 at Broomhill New Pitsligo, George Cooper the illegitimate son of George Cooper and Ann Young married Ann Corbet the daughter of William Corbet and Isabella Meldrum.