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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: roy french on Sunday 20 March 16 15:47 GMT (UK)
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William & Helen Carson are in the 1921 Canada census living in Parkdale, Toronto, at 37 Hewitt Avenue.
The original census document indicates they immigrated in 1910. I have looked at passenger lists for that time but cannot find a match. Also checked the 1911 census but again could not find a match.
Both were born in Scotland. William abt 1883 and Helen abt 1888.
I am an 82 year old senior with limited computer and analytical skills and primarily use Family Search and census records. Budget restraints dictate against membership in Ancestry, FindMyPast etc.,
Any guidance in tracing William & Helen Carson would be much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Roy French
Mississauga-Canada.
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More questions than answers.....
Do you have parents' names for William and Helen?
Were they married in Scotland? It seems odd that they might have married in Scotland prior to emigrating in 1910 and only have possibly a first child born in 1920. Not impossible, of course, but just seems odd.
Dates of immigration sometimes need to be taken with a grain of salt. The date given may sometimes depend on the way the question is interpreted by the householder. They may have put down the date they arrived at their present address. That being said, I can't find them on a passenger list at the moment, in 1910 or other years.
Anyway, knowing the parents's names, etc. may help.
PB
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I can't see a marriage on Scotlands People that would fit with the couple
Could this be their marriage in 1914 at Toronto on Family Search? The ages tie in reasonably, it lists both their orgins as Glasgow and lists their parents
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27Z1-6W1
If they did marry in Canada they could have emigrated seperately
Kay
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Thanks so much kind people.
Polar Bear I think Kay 99 has come up with a solution. The name McTaggart kind of seals it for me as William and Helen's son, Graham, was rumoured to have the middle name McTaggart. As I understand it, it was not uncommon for children to be given the mother's maiden name as a middle name.
This is so much more than I expected and very much appreciated.
So it would seem William Carson and Helen McTaggart immigrated separately. An excellent lead.
Kindest regards.
Roy French
Mississauga-Canada.
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Glad it was of use. This looks like William and family in 1891 living at 2 Langside Terr, Cathcart,Renfrewshire with brother John's middle name looking like a mistranscibed McTaggart
James Carson 32 Travellor b Dumbarton
Maggie Carson 29 b Dumbarton
William John Carson 9 b Glasgow
John McLaggart Carson 6 b Glasgow
Maggie Logan Carson 4 b Langside, Renfrew
Still can't see the immigration!!
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Hi Kay, I am so appreciative of this. In an earlier reply I mis-spoke. Should have said immigration for Helen Johnston. (Not McTaggart).
I am presently on a fairly heavy meds regimen so it will take a little longer for me than most to absorb and process this data into my Family Tree Maker. Beats crosswords.
Kind regards,
Roy French
Mississauga-Canada.
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It does beat crosswords ;D
If it helps I think Helen's sister came over and this is her marriage. I wonder if the whole family came??
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2781-JXJ
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And the death of Helen's brother John in Toronto in 1924 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J65F-CTR
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I can't see the immigrations at the moment but with the siblings I think this might be Helen -listed as Ellen- and family in 1901 living at 6 Binnie Pl, Glasgow including siblings Jeannie and John. There is a boarder with the surname Mcinally which could possibly be Elizabeth's siste?? Children are all born Glasgow
John Johnston 44 Spirit Salesman Ayr, Ayrshire
Elizabeth Johnston 39 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Johnston 20
Ellen Johnston 17
Margaret Johnston 13
Mary Johnston 13
Elizabeth Johnston 11
Jeanie Johnston 9
Arthur Johnston 7
Alexander Johnston 5
Agnes Johnston 3
Mary McInnaly 37 Boarder b Glasgow
John Curran 18 lodger
Have to sign off now - check back later - Kay
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Hi,
In case you don't have a date of death for your William John Carson... obit is in the Globe and Mail on 22 Sept 1966, page 43.
William John Carson, husband of Helen Johnston, died at Northwestern General Hospital on Sept 20 1966. Address had been 4 Flemington Park, Toronto. Father of Graham of Richmond Hill. Interment Glendale Memorial Gardens.
Obit says "Flemington Park", but I am quite sure it should say "Flemingdon Park".
RK
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Helen died in Richmond Hill, at the home of her son Graham, on Feb 19 1970. Wife of the late William J Carson. Interment Glendale Memorial Gardens.
Toronto Star, Feb 21 1970, page B20
RK
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Also in case you don't already have this.. looks like Graham died in 1994. Had worked at CIBC for over 40 years, and was retired. Died at York Central hospital on Aug 24 1994. Husband of the late Betty. Father of B* and her husband B* French. Granddaughters J* and C*. Interment St John's Anglican Cemetery, Richmond Hill.
Globe and Mail 26 Aug 1994, page A12.
* I didn't write the full names of the daughter, son in law and granddaughters... because they are likely still living.
RK
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Thanks so much for this.
I did not have this information for William John & Helen. I did have the obit for Graham Carson but only because I was there. The B. French is my son and the others my grandchildren. My son is in Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie and will be there for the foreseeable future then at least one year re-hab. During numerous moves the personal documents have been lost and the family has unofficially appointed me as family historian.
As an 82 year old shut in I do have time on my hands but have little knowledge about computers and genealogy. But I am learning and it has been wonderful that so many people have stepped in to help me. Budgetary constraints do not allow me to join sources such as Ancestry.
If it is not too much of an imposition, would there be an obit for Graham Carson's wife. Her maiden name was Frances Elizabeth Barnard and that is the extent of my information about her. I do not know her parents or when or where she was born.
My son tells me Graham was with the Army Signal Corp in WW11 but I could not find any record in the Canada Archives.
Again, thanks so much for your kind response.
Roy French
Mississauga-Canada.
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Happy to help... :) :)
Frances Elizabeth (Betty) Carson died at her home on July 22 1990. Wife of Graham. Mother of B* of Richmond Hill and M*. Interment St John's Anglican Cemetery, Richmond Hill.
No mention of her parents, or any siblings... will check for a marriage notice.
RK
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If it is not too much of an imposition, would there be an obit for Graham Carson's wife. Her maiden name was Frances Elizabeth Barnard and that is the extent of my information about her. I do not know her parents or when or where she was born.
I didn't find a marriage notice, but I did find an obituary for Frances Elizabeth Barnard's mother. Her name was Elizabeth S Barnard, nee Bain. Wife of the late Frank R Barnard of Aurora. She died at the home of her daughter on Dec 24 1974. Mother of Betty (Mrs Graham Carson) of Richmond Hill and Howard of Elliott Lake. Granddaughter of M*, B* (These must be the Carsons) and G* and L* (likely Howard's children, so would be Barnards). Funeral at St. John's Anglican church. Interment at Resthaven Memorial Gardens.
Globe and Mail, Dec 27, 1974, page 25.
RK
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Familysearch has a marriage for a Frank Richard Barnard (b 1889in England, parents Harry Barnard and Annie Gregory) to Elizabeth Soutter Bain (b 1888 in Scotland, parents David Bain and Mary Ann Soutter). Date of marriage 7 Oct 1916 in Toronto.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2786-RSB
So, their daughter Frances Elizabeth Barnard was most likely born after 1916 and in the Toronto area.
RK
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Thank you for this information. It seems that this is indeed the correct family. I will enter to my Family Tree Maker and I'm sure the pieces will fit.
Kind regards,
Roy French
Mississauga-Canada.
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Glad to hear it :) :)
I found the obit for Frank R Barnard too. It gives his birthdate as March 17 1889 in Basingstoke, England. He died March 19 1974. Husband of Elizabeth Bain of Aurora. Children and Grandchildren are as given in Elizabeth's obituary. Funeral service at St. John's Anglican Church. Interment Resthaven Memorial Gardens.
Toronto Star, March 21, 1974, page B6
Free BMD has a birth registration for Frank Richard Barnard in Basingstoke in the JuneQ of 1889.
RK
PS I hope your son is feeling better. :)
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Thank you again. I have 13 grandchildren,(5 Gt. Grandchildren) who will be thrilled to have this history of their ancestors.
As am I.
Kindest regards,
Roy French
Mississauga - Canada