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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: alunno-a on Friday 18 March 16 14:15 GMT (UK)
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I am gobsmacked.And how have they verified this?? Don't know what they think they are doing, unless they are now being sponsored by some really dodgy political group.This is my search result for a quaker burial/death;
Name; Jennet Wilson
Gender; ( I think they mean sex) Female
Race; ( do they mean colour of skin?) White
Age; 60
Birthdate; ( I presume they mean birth year approximate) 1718
Deathdate; 6 Sep 1778
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Were you looking at UK records?
I seem to remember that colour/race applied to US records?
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Is this a submitted record on the IGI?
I believe that US census records asked what race (or colour, I can't recall) a person was - perhaps other records did too.
It was just something they did back in the day. I don't think it is worth getting up in arms about.
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Its on UK search..and the Quaker meeting is UK.....but "race" as in "colour of skin" only occurs on US records from much later than this. I'm objecting to stating "facts" that are not facts at all, are completely irrelevant etc. And someone put that there...why??
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It isnt back in the day....its what somebody has added wrongly ( because they do not know what race she was) now.
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Are you using .com or .co.uk? I've looked on .co.uk for this entry and there is no mention whatsoever, either in the transcription or the image for "gender" or "race" - Liverpool Quaker Registers. Nor in the 1538-1991 Select Deaths and Burials (from LDS). Nor in the England and Wales, Quaker Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths Register.
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That record is from England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013. FHL Film Number: 583999 See https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5MF-MY8
Stan
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It appears to be a standard index card used by FamilySearch.
Stan
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Looks like there are two versions of the Family Search entry - film no: 583999 (with) and 584012 (without).
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If you go to http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hac/ you will see one version, clicking on her name gives you the other version https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5MF-MY8
Stan
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"Ancestry ascribing a race and colour to the long dead" Just to say it is not Ancestry, these are records from LDS.
Film 584012 https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/92545?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Film 583999 https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/103836?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Stan
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I am gobsmacked.And how have they verified this?? Don't know what they think they are doing, unless they are now being sponsored by some really dodgy political group.This is my search result for a quaker burial/death;
Name; Jennet Wilson
Gender; ( I think they mean sex) Female
Race; ( do they mean colour of skin?) White
Age; 60
Birthdate; ( I presume they mean birth year approximate) 1718
Deathdate; 6 Sep 1778
Gender is more accurate than your interpretation of alternative word.
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It is not PC now to use sex.
Gender, the state of being male or female as expressed by social or cultural distinctions and differences, rather than biological ones; the collective attributes or traits associated with a particular sex, or determined as a result of one's sex. Also: a (male or female) group characterized in this way. OED
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To the Question Sex? some people may answer with Celibate.
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I'm not sure why the OP is getting tetchy about the labels describing the data. It's quite clear what each piece of data represents (at least in the example quoted) so perhaps feathers would be less ruffled if there were no labels at all?
If the objection is to the data itself, that may be different ....
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I have been transcribing South African Death Notices for Family Search and on none of the index cards that have to be filled in is there a space for Gender or Race even though they often appear on the Notice itself.
Perhaps each data set has it's own requirements that need to be included.