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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: jettejjane on Wednesday 09 March 16 12:46 GMT (UK)
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I know you guys in here like a challenge ;D. This is more like "Mission Impossible" but lets give it a go. I have been getting withdrawal symptoms after my last photo for identification - the one of mum on War Office roof.
I will be really impressed if anything comes of this one, there is not much to go on just a view. Although a date from cart would be useful. It is another found in a batch of recent Cartes de Visites but unfortunately there is nothing on the back.
Good luck ;)
Jane
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The black cardstock indicates 1890's.
Unfortunately carts didn't have number plates so no help there.
Is that a mill at the back ?
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The black cardstock indicates 1890's.
Unfortunately carts didn't have number plates so no help there.
Is that a mill at the back ?
Thanks for reply. Unfortunately the buildings are very faded, also I cant get a good scan and enlarge enough with getting pixelated. With the aid of magnifying glass I can see on the white building in trees on left there is a back sign but cant make out the writing. At first I thought the building to right of that was a church but looks like an industrial chimney maybe. The building to its right has the most unusual chimney which prompted me to google unusual chimneys - no luck, its hard to describe but looks like a mini house with a gabled roof on the roof! Then the building behind the bridge has in front of it what I can only describe as tower like construction in front of it.
I will try and see if I can improve on the scan.
Jane
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I can't speak to the age of this photo but I was able to remove some of the scratches and also brightened it a bit.
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I can't speak to the age of this photo but I was able to remove some of the scratches and also brightened it a bit.
Thanks that's very kind. That's better :)
Jane
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Perhaps the timbering of the two houses may offer clues.
Chimneys topped with a mini house are quite common in Normandy France.
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Perhaps the timbering of the two houses may offer clues.
Chimneys topped with a mini house are quite common in Normandy France.
That's interesting. I have been googling chimneys again but perhaps will try entering Normandy as well. I tried to draw the chimney but it looked rubbish as was my description :o the timbering could well be a clue, but there is a lot of it about!
To me it has a sort of Constable look about it. Would be nice in colour. Shame I cant make out words on white house.
Jane
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I have just noticed my subject heading has been changed. This is a bit misleading. All I wanted was to find out the location of the photo.I shouldn't have mentioned dating cart so my fault. And I didnt mention asking for location I assumed wrongly that would be understood.
Sarah if you would change it to "a location request" I would be very grateful. I can't do it.
Jane
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Lets break it down into some of the individual features.
Trees alongside the cart, what are they?
One tower/chimney, could it be a bell tower on a church or town hall?
Looks like a well made bridge.
Which County?
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I have just noticed my subject heading has been changed. This is a bit misleading. All I wanted was to find out the location of the photo.I shouldn't have mentioned dating cart so my fault. And I didnt mention asking for location I assumed wrongly that would be understood.
Sarah if you would change it to "a location request" I would be very grateful. I can't do it.
Jane
Where am I? would be a good heading. that was a popular series on here about 12 months ago.
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Scouse,
Thanks for replies.
I agree break it down a bit. Is it in this country? Well I think so. But who knows.
Jane
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What is the roofing material?
Notice there is a horse and rider on the bridge.
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Has the bridge got a castellated parapet? It certainly 'dips' where the person is on the bridge.
Pat
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Has the bridge got a castellated parapet? It certainly 'dips' where the person is on the bridge.
Pat
It is feint but it looks like a person riding a horse. am I right, or not?
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Or. is it Lattice Iron Work on the Bridge?
Also the square timber framed should be a distinctive style.
Warwickshire. Cheshire. or Dorset. my starters for 10
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When did roadside posts come in? Am I seeing safety posts or standard white posts on the left of the cart?
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Hi guys.
Just got magnifying glass out. I see no horse and rider just a guy in white shirt with flat hat leaning over bridge. The roof material looks like tiles. There is no castellation
or lattice work on bridge. Maybe shadowing con f using.
Yes the timber frame could be a clue. Did you notice building on extreme right by man on c art? Also same square timber framed
I do wish you were all here and could see picture. I just can't scan it any better.
Do pop round all welcome plenty of wine and nibbles, lol.
I just love the way you all get so involved it's fantastic can't thank you enough.
Jane x
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We need to conscript the "Where am I?" team of experts.
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We need to conscript the "Where am I?" team of experts.
I don't remember seeing that p programme but yes call in the experts scouse.
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I'm on my way for wine and nibbles. I don't know where it is, but here's a colour version.
Pat
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I'm on my way for wine and nibbles. I don't know where it is, but here's a colour version.
Pat
Lol ;D Sorry started without you, bad Jane. Liking colour version. Thanks.
Don't worry lots wine and nibbles left ;D ;D ;D
Jane ;)
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Timber frame wattle and daub construct could be in anywhere in England.
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Excellent colour.
Is the feature in the foreground a ford?
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Excellent colour.
Is the feature in the foreground a ford?
I thought it was a river....
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Excellent colour.
Is the feature in the foreground a ford?
I thought it was a river....
Me too!!
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For the avoidance of doubt.
Before the Bridge was built there may have been a ford crossing of the river.
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Earlir than a Ford but horseless non the less it seems, although a better scan might prove otherwise.
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Timber frame wattle and daub construct could be in anywhere in England.
Yes I agree. That's why this is a challenge. Nothing leads us to a specific location, but maybe someone will notice something.
Just a bit of fun and I know how much some like the thrill of the chase. I thank them for their interest and observations.
Keep pressing and guessing guys. You will crack this one eventually like you did the war office roof.
Jane :)
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Ford Mustang
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Hi guys.
Just got magnifying glass out. I see no horse and rider just a guy in white shirt with flat hat leaning over bridge. The roof material looks like tiles. There is no castellation
or lattice work on bridge. Maybe shadowing con f using.
Yes the timber frame could be a clue. Did you notice building on extreme right by man on c art? Also same square timber framed
I do wish you were all here and could see picture. I just can't scan it any better.
Do pop round all welcome plenty of wine and nibbles, lol.
I just love the way you all get so involved it's fantastic can't thank you enough.
Jane x
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Earlir than a Ford but horseless non the less it seems, although a better scan might prove otherwise.
Sorry I don't understand earlier than a Ford. What is horseless? If you mean on the bridge there is no horse. Agreed a better scan would help but if original isn't good it can't really improve what I haven't got.
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Hi guys.
Just got magnifying glass out. I see no horse and rider just a guy in white shirt with flat hat leaning over bridge. The roof material looks like tiles. There is no castellation
or lattice work on bridge. Maybe shadowing con f using.
Yes the timber frame could be a clue. Did you notice building on extreme right by man on c art? Also same square timber framed
I do wish you were all here and could see picture. I just can't scan it any better.
Do pop round all welcome plenty of wine and nibbles, lol.
I just love the way you all get so involved it's fantastic can't thank you enough.
Jane x
Why did you post this? Have I said something wrong?
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You said the timber frame couldbe a clue, which is why I posted about that type of building being common across England
The other reference is to a horseless carriage, probably not a Ford. [
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Maybe it is a Lemon Turd Cart
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Apologies for that. It is what the tipsy Father of the Bride said when he was instructed to go round offering cakes to the guests.
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You said the timber frame couldbe a clue, which is why I posted about that type of building being common across England
The other reference is to a horseless carriage, probably not a Ford. [
Have I been a thicko?? Was reference to Ford meaning the cart being a car. I thought reference to the river. What an eejit, still I am Irish!! Sorry Youngtug ;D
Possibly time ieft this fo r tonight and hit the sack.
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Maybe it is a Lemon Turd Cart
Not constructive and your comments are making me look stupid. But thanks anyway.
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Maybe it is a Lemon Turd Cart
Not constructive and your comments are making me look stupid. But thanks anyway.
I disagree Jane. That comment is in no way making you look stupid. ;) ;D
When I first saw the photo I had in mind a Suffolk location too Jane, however I think that perhaps the cart and the water gave that impression.
Zooming in I am not so sure. The bridge with the taller buildings behind made me think of somewhere 'continental'. I am unsure why, perhaps it is seldom that in the UK you will see a rural scene with bridge and tall buildings, and perhaps I would expect to see 'lower' buildings.
(Upon thinking again, I am not sure that statement is correct .... :P )
It is a tricky one because that scene is unlikely to exist today. Some people have had luck searching for the same postcard (but named). I think this has happened on a couple of "mystery location" threads.
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Maybe it is a Lemon Turd Cart
Not constructive and your comments are making me look stupid. But thanks anyway.
I thought it was said in fun Jane and with no offence meant. :) he did apologise.
Carol
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Maybe it is a Lemon Turd Cart
Not constructive and your comments are making me look stupid. But thanks anyway.
I thought it was said in fun Jane and with no offence meant. :) he did apologise.
Carol
Yes, it was. Thank you. It is an old family joke of ours. I think the Brides Father was a very straight and posh bank manager or solicitor. that's what is so funny about it.
He was distinctly tipsy at the wedding reception and he was taking a tray of Lemon Curd Tarts around, and he got all mixed up.
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Comment removed as going off topic.
Carol
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Hi
Has anyone suggested EARDISLAND on the River Arrow, near Leominster. Same sort of bridge and half timbered houses
claire
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Ok. Pax please. As usual I am in the wrong. So once again sorry. But we are in danger of straying from the topic and getting personal.
Can we get back to the picture?
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My apologies...I'll go away now.
Carol
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Hi
Has anyone suggested EARDISLAND on the River Arrow, near Leominster. Same sort of bridge and half timbered houses
claire
I had to google, but gee that looks close Claire!
I think the bridge might be a little different but it could have been renovated. In Jane's photo there are vertical protruding rows of bricks between the arches and the bricks go to the top of the bridge, whereas the Eardisland bridge has a wide row of stones along the top of the bridge. (sorry, not sure that is explained well enough but I hope you can see what I mean)
If we can find a photo of Eardisland taken from a similar angle that should help. :)
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http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/herefordshireother.html
5th postcard down on the right hand side.
Taken from a different angle but even the trees are similar. I am still unsure about that bridge though ..... :-\
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Hi
www.francisfrith.com have photos also
I definitely think we may be in the right area, Hereford way, it's so familiar to jettejanes picture
claire
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Claire, I think you have cracked it with Eardisland, in my opinion Ruskie's postcard find is spot on!
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Close up photo of bridge
http://fiblex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/image130.jpg
claire
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And the RC Detective Agency finds another.
Well done all.
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Looking at the close up of the bridge, I see my doubts were unfounded. It looks the same to me. Well done Claire. ;D
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Hi
Has anyone suggested EARDISLAND on the River Arrow, near Leominster. Same sort of bridge and half timbered houses
claire
Claire. You have cracked it. Thanks so much. I looked at the postcard and oh yes. You can see the strange chimney thing on roof much clearer.
How do you guys do it? This didn't take as long as I thought. Been thinking about it all night and had decided to Google most photographed bridges-too late - the RC Dectective Agency strikes again ;D
My thanks to everyone of you for your help.
Jane
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I have been thinking-dangerous :o
Maybe there is someone on Roots who would like the picture. Someone with a connection to Eardisland or someone who has an interest in collecting such pictures.
What do you think maybe I should offer it on the Hereford board?
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...EDIT... Agreed a better scan would help but if original isn't good it can't really improve what I haven't got.
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Hello from NZ.
I fail to under stand this comment. My question is do you really know what you have got?
I have learnt that a photo contains far more detail than we first think, good or poor quality. I have a photo that includes my father in front of a 1900's NZ villa taken c1924. It's had a hard life with some sun exposure fading, and fly spots. But it is an only photo of that period that I have, so when scanners became available I scanned it in jpg format. It was post card size and I printed it out for family across an A4 sheet of paper, in an article for a reunion, so that is quite an enlargement and every one was pleased. But no one spotted it's secret.
Can not remember the fixed resolution of our first scanner, but it was not all that high. [Dial up days] Years later I was asked for a copy to be emailed. As it was easier to rescan and send than to hunt out the old filed [& format] copy, I rescanned at 600dpi [the highest option] on our newest scanner, and with broad band the file size was not too great to email.
I then dug out the original article and replaced the old jpg image photo, with the higher resolution photo, which this time I also had over printed with a small notation of approximate date and who's villa it was.
Upon looking at this revised article, I thought I could see something on a pane of window glass, so I then took the image and blew it up, as much as I could, to discover the old granny was peering through the curtains, and out of the window at her Grand Kids.
The detail was not great, but good enough to discern the face outline of an elderly person from the room that hosted the Granny. She had just turned 90 and died not much later.
So that photo held a secret for well over 80 years.
I believe at a higher resolution your photo would also have revealed more detail.
- Alan.
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Claire, well done you have certainly found the location. The tall building is an ancient dovecote
http://visitherefordshire.co.uk/thingstodo/4277/eardisland-dovecote/
Good detective work everybody.
Pat
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Claire, well done you have certainly found the location. The tall building is an ancient dovecote
http://visitherefordshire.co.uk/thingstodo/4277/eardisland-dovecote/
Good detective work everybody.
Pat
Ah, a dovecote, so it was indeed a tiny house- for doves, lol! I am now grinning from ear to ear at my original comment "tiny house" I was right in a way. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Have enjoyed this thread lets see if I can find something more challenging for you ;). You are all too good at this!
Jane
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Another view.
http://cache.past-view.com/9d463c50f8a38c03b25778f4877b23325c7c3701b636154fbc32680039132690/f410631efaebaf196623f809cc0501a14ba3ad9f05adb76965d460c545399ec0.jpg.
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Another view.
http://cache.past-view.com/9d463c50f8a38c03b25778f4877b23325c7c3701b636154fbc32680039132690/f410631efaebaf196623f809cc0501a14ba3ad9f05adb76965d460c545399ec0.jpg.
Thank you, I have some wonderful pictures now.