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I am looking for information about Daniel Kirk d.o.b. unknown who married Elizabeth Cooper in 1799 in Ancaster, Lincolnshire. All I know is that he was a gardener and probably lived in Loughborough at some stage in his life.
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I can check the loughborough 1811 census next time in the library but without further info it will be difficult. If born around 1780 ish he may not have been alive for the 1841. Is there a possibility he died in l,Borough?
Diddy
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I don't know if you have seen this.
Leicester Chronicle 3 October 1829
On Tuesday last, an inquest was taken before Charles Meredith Esq., coroner, at The Black Horse Inn, Loughborough, on the body of Daniel Kirk, gardener, aged 55, who, late on Saturday night, missed his way, and making a wrong turn, got into a manure hole, where he was found suffocated on Sunday morning. - Verdict, accidental death.
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Looks like our man. He may well be in 1811 and burials then. I will check.
Diddy
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Thank you both for your help so far. I have indeed read the newspaper article about the unpleasant death of Daniel Kirk. I have not been able to find a record for this death.
If this is the same person he would have been born in 1774 and 25 years old when he married in 1799. I have the marriage cert of his daughter Sarah Kirk born 1813 in Loughborough and baptised in 1843, together with her sister Jane. This was at All Saints, Loughborough.
On the marriage certificate is, of course her father - Daniel Kirk, gardener. I don`t know whether he was deceased or living at that time. He would have been about 71 years old. Date of Sarah`s marriage to Thomas Hallam was 27.1.1845, Parish of St. Peter, Nottingham. Sarah & Thomas lived in Pinfold Gate, Loughborough. There`s obviously a strong connection to Loughborough.
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Did Jane marry Mr Polkey then Samuel Price 13 Nov 1842 All Saints Loughborough?
Jane as widow, father Daniel, a gardener, witmesses William Harrison and Sarah Kirk
Did find his burial list to help you with the Parish Reg. Diddy
LOUGHBOROUGH WOODGATE BAPTIST 257
DANIEL KIRK 29-Sep 1829 54 abode Loughborough
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I don`t know much about Jane I`m afraid except that she was born about 1819. I am wondering if there were more children. Daniel was married in 1799 and Sarah born in 1813 which is a big gap. I wonder if there`s anything to be found on Elizabeth Kirk (nee Cooper).
Sarah, by the way, called her first born child John COOPER Hallam. It`s strange that she and Jane were not baptized until 1843. There must have been a reason for this.
Someone has sent me the following:
"The only information I have on the burial of Daniel Kirk aged 71 is from a CD produced by Leicestershire & Rutland FHS, which is an index only and so only gives minimal information. There may be more information in the actual Parish Register, but this is usually limited to abode and possibly occupation. "
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Link to previous post:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742715.0
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Had a look at the Non-Conformist baptisms and there are these
Loughborough, St. Mary Roman Catholic
04-Aug 1844 Kirk Daniel born 02-May 1802
Daniel Elizabeth Cooper
parents as Daniel and Elizabeth no other details......still St Mary RC
01-Nov 1844 Kirk Eliza
04-Aug 1844 Kirk Elizabeth
01-Nov 1844 Kirk Elizabeth
01-Nov 1844 Kirk Hannah
01-Nov 1844 Kirk Sarah Ann
has sub condition as a note on all but I don't know what that means
Went back to All Saints...baptism
Elizabeth 9 Oct 1803 Daniel and Elizabeth
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Thanks Jomot
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Further to Polkey
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: James Polkey
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 2 May 1841
Marriage Place: St. Werburgh'S, Derby, Derbyshire, England
marrying James Kirk!!!
and James and a Jane St Peter Derby 1841 H0 107/199/5/5
death for James Q1 1842 Derby
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I don`t know much about Jane I`m afraid except that she was born about 1819. I am wondering if there were more children. Daniel was married in 1799 and Sarah born in 1813 which is a big gap.
St Leodegarius, Basford, Nottingham:
05 Jul 1835, Ann Kirk d/o Daniel & Elizabeth of Loughborough. Date of Birth: 27 Jul 1799
01 Jan 1836, Maria Kirk d/o Daniel & Elizabeth of Loughborough. Date of Birth: 09 Apr 1811
Also possible?
03 May 1835, Samuel Kirk s/o Daniel & Elizabeth of Basford. Date of Birth: 07 Jun 1801
03 May 1835, Daniel Kirk s/o Daniel & Elizabeth of Basford. Date of Birth: 02 May 1805 **
14 Feb 1836, Hannah Kirk d/o Daniel & Elizabeth of Basford (DoB not given)
16 Dec 1838, Isaac Kirk s/o Daniel & Elizabeth of Basford. Date of Birth: 26 Nov 1824
** a few years adrift but the date of 2 May birth ties with the Daniel baptised 04-Aug 1844 at St Mary's Roman Catholic church.
There are several other children baptised to a Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk in Arnold, Nottinghamshire between 1801 & 1812 but I can only find transcripts so cant say for sure whether they are connected.
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If the Basford baptims are correct then these could be Jane's sisters:
All Saints, Loughborough
09 Jun 1825, Ann Kirk & William Harrison*, both OTP
29 Apr 1833, Maria Kirk, Spinster & John Marriott. Both of this parish
17 Jul 1826, Hannah Kirk & William Mills, both OTP
* William Harrison was a witness to the marriage of Jane Kirk (Polkey) to Samuel Price
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hope to get in today so can check marriages etc.
Diddy
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Grrrrrr sorry forgot library now not open Wednesdays. Will be Friday now.
Diddy
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It seems to me that there were a number of couples with the names Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk. I have found another one born in 1807 who was a gardener too! 1851 Census in Little Eaton Bank,
Most confusing!!
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Daniel Kirk Head Married Male 44 1807 Gardener Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Kirk Wife Married Female 48 1803 Househould Duties Stretton, Derbyshire, England
Transcription
Emma Kirk Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Bramcote, Nottinghamshire, England
Transcription
Frederick Kirk Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Helenna Kirk Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
First name(s) Daniel
Last name Kirk
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 44
Birth year 1807
Occupation Gardener
Birth place England
Birth town Loughborough
Birth town as transcribed Loughborough
Birth county Leicestershire
Birth county as transcribed Leicestershire
House name Little Eaton Bank
Street -
Town -
Parish St Alkmund
City -
County Derbyshire
Hamlet Little Eaton
Parliamentary borough -
Municipal ward -
Registration district Shardlow
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2141
Folio 561
Page 38
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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It seems to me that there were a number of couples with the names Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk. I have found another one born in 1807 who was a gardener too!
I suspect that this may be Daniel's son, ie Jane & Sarah's brother. There is a marriage 23 May 1825 at Nottingham St Mary that would fit - Daniel Kirk & Elizabeth Atkinson.
Baptised at the same church:
16 Apr 1826 Harriet d/o Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk of Octagon Row
16 Dec 1828 Eliza d/o Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk of Sherwin St
29 Dec 1829 Eliza d/o Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk of Sherwood St
14 Feb 1831 Elizabeth d/o Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk of Sherwood St
15 Aug 1832 Sarah Ann d/o Daniel & Elizabeth Kirk of Mansfield Rd
In 1841 Daniel is with daughters Eliza, Elizabeth, Sarah & Hannah (c1837) in Bramcote, and the 1851 census you posted states that Emma Kirk was born in Bramcote in 1841, so the family certainly fits. This Daniel says he was born Loughborough, and as the baptisms in Basford were of adults, with two making reference to Loughborough, I'd say its a strong possibility.
The baptism of Hannah Kirk on 14 Feb 1836 at St Leodegarius, Basford, is therefore quite possibly the Hannah in Bramcote on the 1841 census.
Also from my CD of Prison Calenders, although Im not sure where he fits in, if at all:
8 Jan 1855, Thomas Kirk, 39, Gardener, of Loughborough, charged with theft.
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Also found this
Leicestershire Mercury 26 February 1842
On the 20th Inst., Mrs Elizabeth Kirk, gardener, Loughborough.
Was hoping to track the burial but haven't found it so far
Non conformist
Loughborough, St. Mary RC
04-Aug 1844 busy day for the family!
Kirk Emma 08-Sep 1840 Daniel Elizabeth Johnson
Kirk Frederick 11-Aug 1842 Daniel Elizabeth Johnson
Kirk Helen 24-Feb 1844 Daniel Elizabeth Johnson
Marriage in Notts
Daniel Kirk
Marriage year 1841
Marriage date 11 Nov 1841
Marriage place Nottingham
Church St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Johnson
County Nottinghamshire
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Just double checked and there is a note on my PDF for Jane's baptism 28th Dec 1843,
born 23 Jan 1814, now Jane Price, f gardener
Sarah baptised the same day
born 1813, f gardener
I think Jomot is absolutely right about Daniel as son of
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Some snippets in the paper
Leicester Journal 26 December 1834
Thomas Kirk, of Loughborough, charged by his brother Daniel Kirk, with an assault,-committed 1 month
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties 25 April 1828
Leicester Quarter Sessions
On Thursday
-Same day, Daniel Kirk, of Loughborough, was bound over to keep the peace towards his wife....
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Thank you for all your help so far everybody. I am pretty sure that Daniel Kirk married Elizabeth COOPER. I forgot to mention that their daughter Sarah who married Thomas Hallam called their first born John COOPER Hallam. This confused me for a long time as I thought Sarah`s maiden name was COOPER, but it was her mother`s! There is indeed another Thomas Hallam who married a Sarah Cooper around the same time, but the other dates just didn`t fit. Loking for Hallams is a horrific and exacting job. I don`t think that any of the RC baptisms are correct. All Saints is CoE. I too think that the younger Daniel is a son who took up the same profession. Unfortunately it doesn`t bring me any nearer to finding out more about Daniel senior. My tree has come to an abrupt halt there.
I´m going to get all the information down on paper asap. I find it much easier to sort out than on a pc monitor. A roll of old wallpaper is perfect for the job.
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You must have read my mind, was thinking it would be easier mapping it out now but still can't add to Daniel.
Was just checking the marriage when you posted but the witnesses are no help!
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The granddaughter of Sarah Kirk - Mary Ann Smedley 1869 - married to Joseph Spray, Nottingham shows a visitor called William Kirk 1834 - Tailor - on the 1901 Census. I don`t know if there`s a family connection.
First name(s) Mary A
Last name Spray
Relationship Daughter
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 32
Birth year 1869
Occupation -
Birth town Nottingham
Birth town as transcribed NOTTINGHAM
Birth county Nottinghamshire
Birth county as transcribed NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) JOHN, SARAH, JOSEPH, MARY, EVA, HILDA, DOROTHY, ALBERT, ELSIE, WILLIAM
Other household member last name SMEDLEY, SPRAY, KIRK
Street Waterway Street
Town -
Parish Nottingham
City -
Country England
County Nottinghamshire
Municipal ward Meadows
Registration district Nottingham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3167
Folio 67
Page 26
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain
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Perhaps Diddy will come up with something from the library. Not all the information is on line. Signing off now. ;) Thanks.
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Also found this
Leicestershire Mercury 26 February 1842
On the 20th Inst., Mrs Elizabeth Kirk, gardener, Loughborough.
Was hoping to track the burial but haven't found it so far
26 Feb 1842 Woodgate Baptist, Loughborough, Eliza Kirk, aged 62
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Nice find, can you say that about a burial :)
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In library now.
Woodcote Baptist mis church no longer there few stones removed to Old Rectory.
Will check sometime for picture if you like. No mi for Daniel
Stone 29
Sacred to the memory of Elizabeth Kirkby who died 20 Feb 1842 aged 62 years.
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth, yea saith the spirit,
That they may rest free from their labours, and their works do follow them.
Rev. X1V ver 13.
Baptisms All Saints, Loughborough 1791 - 1812 index
Kirk
Elizabeth d/o Daniel, gardener & Elizabeth bap 9/10/1803 bur.24/9/1808
Baps
Index 1813 - 1825 no kirk's
1825 - 1836 no Index no Kirks
1837-1854 no index but
Kirkby (now Price) Janet 28/12/1843 born 23/1/1819 d/o Daniel, gardener & Elizabeth
Pinfold Gate,,
Kirk, Sarah 28/12/1843 d/of Daniel, gardener & Elizabeth. Ashby place
Baps 1749 - 1791
Kirk, Daniel s/o Samuel & Elizabeth 29/12/1774
Also siblings
Catherine 7/3/1779 bur.25/4/1788
Dorothy 14/11/1781
Ann 9/2/1783
Elizabeth 12/11/1786
Samuel 22/3/1789 no burial found...
Samuel 1/5/1791
No marriage found for Samuel & Elizabeth . Samuel listed as gardener in Baps.
Diddy
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Samuel bap 1791 father Samuel so not yours.
Diddy
Sorry cancel above thinking of Daniel. Getting confused.
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1811 census lough
Can't see Daniel but
Samuel 1 male 2 females listed. No names
Diddy
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Hi Diddy,
Many thanks for all your help. Unfortunately a lot of the information is so vague with no definite links and I don`t even know if it is the correct Kirk family.
One thing did strike me though was the following:
Kirkby (now Price) Janet 28/12/1843 born 23/1/1819 d/o Daniel, gardener & Elizabeth
Pinfold Gate,,
Thomas Hallam and his wife Sarah Kirk lived in Pinfold Gate. Who is Janet Kirkby? Her baptism date is the same as Sarah`s and Janes.
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Sorry that is Jane kirk now price. Predictive text on tablet !
Diddy
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Not sure why you think the info is vague?
The stone (sorry about predictive text) is Elizabeth kirk and the Baps confirm your details.
The bap for Daniel links with the birth date given .....
Diddy
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Sorry, but I am a newcomer to this forum and find it a bit confusing, especially when things are abbreviated. I went on a wild goosechase last night looking for Janet Kirkby.
Stone 29
Sacred to the memory of Elizabeth Kirkby who died 20 Feb 1842 aged 62 years.
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth, yea saith the spirit,
That they may rest free from their labours, and their works do follow them.
Rev. X1V ver 13.
Baptisms All Saints, Loughborough 1791 - 1812 index
Kirk
Elizabeth d/o Daniel, gardener & Elizabeth bap 9/10/1803 bur.24/9/1808
Does this refer to Elizabeth Kirk (nee COOPER) and not Kirkby?
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Yes this is Elizabeth kirk. My new tablet keeps changing words & I haven,t used one before so had not realised.
Apologies once again.
Diddy
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When Wood gate Baptist Church closed some of the stones were moved to the Old Rectory garden - this used to belong to the Parish Church All Saints but is now a museum and ruins.
A list of memorial stones i found from Wood gate in the Old Rectory does not include that of Elizabeth.
Diddy
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Thanks Diddy. I have been doing a little research this evening based on all the information I have received. I looked at the 1841 Census image of Daniel Kirk junior (his wife is missing for some reason - I thought she died in 1842) - and was amazed to find other familiar names on the page. Smedley, Cooper and Spray. All these surnames appear in my tree. It can`t possibly be just a coincidence. ???
Sarah (COOPER) Kirk`s stepdaughter daughter Sarah Mansfield Hallam married John Smedley. Their daughter Mary Ann married Joseph Spray. I find it all most odd. Wish I had more time to get my head round this lot.
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Do you have Sarah Kirk c 1813 on the 1841 census?
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No, I don`t. Must sign off now for tonight. Bye
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Has anybody been able to trace Sarah Kirk 1813 on the 1841 Census? I have drawn a blank.
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Sorry no offence intended
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I can check the loughborough records tomorrow.
Diddy
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Barrow records online.
Death of Elizabeth Muston 7/2/1833aged 86. Abode Barrow women's hospital. First death.
There are some burials for children of a William & Catherine first one Elizabeth 1838 aged 2 so possible William remarried.
Diddy
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This is getting more and more confusing. Your offer to check Loughborough records Diddy, is it meant for me or MussonKnowles?
It seems as if there were two Kirk families in Loughborough who attended either All Saints or Emmanuel. I don`t know if these two churches are CofE. Are they situated near each other in Loborough? I don`t think there were ever any Roman Catholic connections with my family.
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Sorry that was meant for Muston.
As I said earlier there were a lot of Kirks in Loughborough.
All Saints IS THE Parish church for Loughborough town. Emmanuell the next biggest church and parish in the town. I was christened there and confirmed there. C of E.
Diddy
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Marriage of William Musson & Elizabeth kirk 17 Nov 1771 barrow on soar. I have a picture of the record.
Igi / pr both have Kilk but record online on bos villages site says kilk may be misspelt.
Diddy
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Baptism William musson s/o Erasmus & Elizabeth musson 25 Feb 1749 barrow
No sign of Elizabeth kilk or kirk 1743 - 1751 barrow
Diddy
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Thanks diddymiller, I have the marriage 17th Nov 1771 Barrow Upon Soar, which gives KILK, very interesting that bos villages site (sorry never come across this site) says possible misspelt, I am sure that is correct.
Thanks for adding the information about William Musson, do have that information, indeed information on the MUSSON line back to the 1650s in Leicestershire.
I did not mean to hijack this thread on Daniel Kirk, so please disregard my query about the KIRKS.
So many thanks for your efforts at Loughborough library. Availability of records for Leicestershire on line are very good, but do seem to be lacking for Loughborough and Leicester for some strange reason.
Many thanks :)
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Google Barrow on Soar family history for new site based on old leics villages site,
Sell run by my friend Judith.
I did check Barrow mi list. No stones found
Diddy
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Going back to my original request regarding information on Daniel Kirk and his son of the same name, has anyone got any ideas where the two of them would have been employed as gardeners in Loughborough? I have tried delving into Loughborough`s history online but perhaps you locals know more about life in the 19th century. Were there any large estates, stately homes or rich families who they may have been working for? Could they have worked in the old Rectory Garden? I have read that the population in 1801 was about 4,500.
Jane
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Loughborough had a number of large landowners around the town & within what is now Charnwood Borough. The main one in Loughborough itself would be De Lisle of Garendon Hall. This was a large Catholic family who owned (& still do smaller acres) 6857 acres. in fact the estate I now live on was once De Lisle land. There is now also a Catholic school in their name.
Edward Warner purchased Quorn Hall (just up the road) in 1854. His family had been involved in trade & industry in the town since the early 18th century. His son sold the estate in 1920.
There were /are many others around in the close villages - Burton Hall / Swithland Hall/ Prestwold Hall/ Beaumanor Hall.
As Daniel is down as living Ashby Place / Pinfold Gate right in town on baptisms I don't think he would be a gardener at one of the big estates out of town otherwise he would have 'lived in'.
Sorry doesn't exactly answer your question.
Diddy
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I have just found this from the historical newspapers. Do you know anything about ... Elliott Esq.?
I wonder if this was Daniel Kirk junior. He was still alive at this time and about 48 years old.
I was not able to paste the whole contents but it was about Carrington Horticultural Society which held their annual Autumn Show in the National School room in Carrington.
British Newspapers 1710-1950
Publication:Nottinghamshire Guardian
Publication date:Thursday 20 October 1853
Article text:"judges, Mr. Daniel Kirk, gardener to — Elliott, Esq., Daybrook, and Mr. John Grundy, Snenton. Robbery in Canal Street. — During the night of Sunday last, three strikes of barley were stolen from premises in Canal Street, the property of Mr. John Thorpe Notintone"
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Just Google Daybrook, Nottingham. You can see area on map. Might be worth putting post on Notts board see if anyone knows of local Elliot family.
Diddy