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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Stormybay on Sunday 06 March 16 16:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I need help with John Cade. My guess is he was born of Luke Cade and Elizabeth of Old Street about 1766, but fear that record showed a death in infancy. I can find no other birth of John Cade.
He was married to Elizabeth Archer in 1788 at St Michael Bassishaw, but died 1799/1800 as Elizabeth Cade then married George Cowley at the same church. She had other children but her son, whom she named George, was baptized two years after his father's death in 1802.
I just need to confirm when John's life started and when it ended, if anyone can help, please.
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FindMyPast has a baptismal record (image) for -
John Cade, born 25 Aug 1766, bap. 23 Sep 1766 at St. Martin in the Fields, son of James And Eleanor.
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Thank you for checking on this. I did find this one, but I believe I have followed up with his children and he has a different family. I will trace it through again, but I am pretty sure this is the wrong man.
Stormy
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Have you had sight of the original parish entry for the 1788 marriage? Who were the witnesses? These can sometimes provide a link. John (son of Luke/Elizabeth) had 2 older sisters and 1 older brother (out of at least 7 siblings).
Re the marriage - I can see a transcribed marriage record on FindMyPast for a John Cade and Elizabeth Hatcher, 28 Jan 1788, London.
(Checking this out led me to the death of a Luke Cade, age 74, Paradise Row, Chelsea who died 1811 by falling into a wine cooler full of hot wine)
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Hello again
Great idea about the witnesses, but they were John Cooke (who also witnessed Elizabeth's marriage to George Colley after John Cade's death) and Mary Atkins. These two people witnessed several marriages and so must have had some role in the church. From what I can see the three siblings - if Luke Cade was my John's father - were dead before 1788 and were buried at St Luke's Old Street. The story about falling into the boiling vat of fat was amazing and was written up in the Morning Post newspaper as one of a series of tragedies that struck this family in an 1821obituary for a son named Luke who died a few years later. That story made an allusion to a tragic death (at sea?) by an older brother, who could have been my John Cade..."a Captain in the trade with Russia, pined away in the prime of his life and died quite disheartened, after many crosses".
Thus, I have a lot of information but cannot make a tight case for this man being the son of Luke Cade.
Once again, thank you so much for your work on this.
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"John Cade, a captain in the trade with Russia..."
Caledonian Mercury, 7 Dec 1801
The Ex, Cade, from Petersburgh to Gothenburg, is put into Rogerswick, after throwing part of the cargo overboard
Bell's Weekly Messenger, 17 Oct 1802
The Ex, Cade, was lost on the 21st of August, near Petersburgh - Crew, and part of the materials, saved.
If Cade of the Ex is Luke Cade's son and Luke Charles Cade's brother, it would appear to rule him out as the John Cade who married Elizabeth in 1788. She remarried 17 Jan 1802 before the loss of the Ex in Oct 1802?
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The Hull Packet, 29 Dec 1801, in describing the incident of the Ex putting into Rogerswick (Roggerswigg in the Hull report) refers to "The Ex, Cade, of London .....".
Yet to spot a reference to "Ex, Cade..." after this date.
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The Oct/12/1802 issue of Lloyd's List (from which the newspaper articles were probably gleaned) says
The Ex, Cade, was lost on the 21st of August, near Petersburgh - Crew, and part of the materials, saved.
Lloyd's Register only lists EX in two yearly editions 1801 and 1802.
A Brig of 162 tons built in 1798? owned by W Sutton and Registered in Bridgewater.
Master R Cade
It could be that Lloyd's Reg has the initial wrong. A check of Bridgewater crew agreements comes up with nothing but I don't know how far their database extends.
http://www1.somerset.gov.uk/archives/database/crewlist.htm
Direct contact with Somerset Record office may give you an answer.
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Seaweed has identified R. Cade from Lloyds Registers. I think the initial is correct. I can find other references to an R. Cade (one looks like "B") in the Registers
http://www.lrfoundation.org.uk/public_education/reference-library/register-of-ships-online
Also, the Lancaster Gazette, 21 Jan 1804, has a shipping report -
"ARRIVED AT LIVERPOOL
Russia
Susannah, R. Cade from Narva with 6565 deals ....".
So, looks quite possible there were two Cades involved in the Russia Trade around the same period - the John Cade referred to in the newspaper article and the R. Cade of the Ex, Susannah (and later Crow Isle?).
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Luke's youngest son was Robert Cade who also died young and I have found no children for him...
You are helping me significantly with your research into this. Thank you.
S
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FindMyPast Burials (transcriptions)
Robert Cade, at Chelsea, age 44 on 11 June 1819, address Paradise Row (Luke died at the same address)
Public ledger & Daily Advertiser, 25 Sep 1809
The Good Ship Crow Isle 221 tons ... Commander Robert Cade.
Probably (??) the Cade of the Ex and Susannah. Yet to find a ship for "John Cade of the Russia trade...".
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This is supporting some of my theories and resolving some questions, nicely. Once again thank you.
The other nugget that I have is apprenticeship papers, dated 1810, for my 3x gt grandfather, Robert Cade, born 1794, baptized at Bishops Gate,
"Robert Cade, son of John Cade, late of Paradise Street in the parish of St Leonard Shoreditch, labourer, deceased, doth put himself apprentice to Thomas Cordeux.
Paradise Street was a very short street - I have tried to find out more about it in the old maps. I have held onto the belief that this is an important "connector" in my puzzle.
S
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My thinking (pure speculation)was possibly that John died early 18799/1800 as you say (proof/evidence??) and young bro' Robert Cade took over as Captain??
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Yes, I think you may be correct. Because of the note attached to the baptism of the child, George Cade, son of Elizabeth and John, deceased, after her remarriage to George Colley, I have speculated that she named that child, George, to honour her new husband or to make them into a "new" family. George was three when he was baptized and so I have always been pretty sure that the father, John, died 1799 +or -.
Re the earlier reference to Susannah: Robert was married to Susannah Newman. No children found, but if they lived on a boat and were at sea, there may be records elsewhere.
The other "guess" that I have made is that John named my Robert after his younger brother as they may have had a close connection.
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Was George the only child of John and Elizabeth?
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Well, it has been a struggle with lots of leaps of faith but this is what I think:
Joseph Butler Cade 1788 - ? Not at all sure about him in this group, but the others are fairly sound.
William 1789 - 1826 buried at Bunhill Fields
Christiana 1791 - 1872 (marriage to Charles Woolnough - in printing business)
Robert 1794 - 1864 (my 3x gt) -printer in Hill Street, then teacher at St Clements in Ipswich (first child and father in law buried in Bunhill Fields)
John Cooper Cade 1797 - 1875 - no marriage, no children, compositor (buried Bunhill Fields)
George 1798 - 1839 - married Susannah Willis
Luke and Luke Charles were active at St Luke's Old Street and did Parish work. The descendents wavered between the established church and the Methodists.
S
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As to these children of John Cade - I think they were in the workhouse for a time, but discharged in 1800 which would make some sense if Elizabeth were a widow and she then married George Colley.
But then I wonder why...if Luke Charles Cade was a successful grocer and upstanding member of the church. He also served as a juror at the Old Bailey. His wife, also called Elizabeth Cade, died in 1800, so perhaps he was struggling himself.
I can find bits and pieces that connect the offspring of Christiana Cade Woolnough with Robert's children and there are connections that fit quite strongly between the offspring of George Cade and Robert's children. The big problem is confidently connecting John, the father, with the Luke Charles Cade family, except their proximity and the Paradise Row address.
Speculation, such an important word.
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"John Cade of the Russia trade ..." still proving highly elusive. But did spot-
The Hull Packet 15 Apr 1800
HULL SHIP NEWS
Coasters arrived - "...; Expedition, Cade, from London; ..."
The Hull Packet 29 Apr 1800
HULL SHIP NEWS
Coasters cleared out - " ...; Expedition, Foreman for Lynn, Ex, Cade; ..."
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Thanks, "hanes teulu"
I will add that latest.
Stormybay