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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: Romilly on Sunday 06 March 16 12:07 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking at this Birth in Oxford in 1856:
First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name DULSTON
Birth year 1856
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District OXFORD
County Oxfordshire
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 483
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
I can see him on the 1871 Census:
Samuel Dulston Head 59 1812 Born: Shropshire, England
Jane Dulston Wife 41 1830 - Oxfordshire, England
William Dulston Son - Male 14 1857 - Oxfordshire, England
Edward Dulston Son - Male 11 1860 - Oxfordshire, England
Harry Dulston Son - Male 8 1863 - Oxfordshire, England
Arthur Dulston Son - Male 6 1865 - Oxfordshire, England
But then he seems to disappear?
Can anyone else on here see him after 1871 please?
Cheers, Romilly.
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Previous threads re probable change of name:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=289147.9
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OXFORDSHIRE/2008-03/1204640975
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Thanks for digging those links out ShaunJ,
I was just looking through my (paper) notes on William (James) Warren, and couldn't remember if I had followed through the William Dulston angle...
I've never found a correct Death for William James Warren, but perhaps he Died as William Dulston?
Romilly ???
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Further to my last Post...
I might have found a reason for the name changes...
There's an entry in the 'Lunacy Patient's Admission Register', (On An******) showing an Admission for a Samuel Dulston on the 16th Feb 1876. I can't open it, because my subs have expired, but I wonder if this was William Dulston's Father?
Romilly.
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Another possible reason?
The Oxford Journal of 15 February 1873 has a report of an inquest into the death of Jane Dulstone, 45, wife of Samuel Dulstone, tailor, 1 Dawson Place, Jericho. She was found drowned in the canal the morning after an argument at home in which she had thrown a lamp at her husband. It was reported that she frequently argued with her eldest son.
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Further to my last Post...
I might have found a reason for the name changes...
There's an entry in the 'Lunacy Patient's Admission Register', (On An******) showing an Admission for a Samuel Dulston on the 16th Feb 1876. I can't open it, because my subs have expired, but I wonder if this was William Dulston's Father?
Not much information just Sam Dulston admission date 16th Feb date of discharge or death 13 th March Asylum Oxford
Rosie
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A bit more on Samuel's last days:
Littlemore Hospital (County Lunatic Asylum, just outside Oxford)
DULSTON Samuel, admitted 16.2.1876, died 13.3.1877. Age 66. Melancholy. Senile decay. PM.
Littlemore, St Mary & St Nicholas Church
Burial 17 Mar 1877
DULSTON Samuel 66 yrs, County Lunatic Asylum
Very sad.
Carol Edit: Sorry, should have credited Oxfordshire FHS for transcripts :-[
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Gosh!! :'( :'(
Thanks so much for all of the replies... I guess that explains the name change! (The name DULSTON must have been notorious in Oxford).
Romilly :o
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Another possible reason?
The Oxford Journal of 15 February 1873 has a report of an inquest into the death of Jane Dulstone, 45, wife of Samuel Dulstone, tailor, 1 Dawson Place, Jericho. She was found drowned in the canal the morning after an argument at home in which she had thrown a lamp at her husband. It was reported that she frequently argued with her eldest son.
This doesn't seem to be in the Newspaper Section on FindMyPast...
I would like to read the whole Article. Where can you see it ShaunJ? (I wonder whether there would have been an Inquest?)
Romilly.
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Yes it is viewable on FindMyPast :
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000073%2f18730215%2f012
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Romilly, I was wondering whether you're related to this family? The earlier thread implies that you were helping TheWombat but you both have Warren in your list of surnames. Just curious :)
Anyway, thanks to the OFHS transcripts I've found the baptisms of three more children of Samuel and Jane - and their burials, all under one year old, in 1861, 1866 and 1868. And then Jane died ..................... the next part, to me, is terribly poignant.
She was buried at St Barnabas Church, Oxford on 13 February 1873 - note the date - age 45 of Dawson Place, Canal Street.
Samuel DULSTON, son of Joseph (boatbuilder) and Cecily of Whitchurch, born 18 July 1811, was conditionally baptised at St Barnabas on 13 February 1876. ('Conditionally' means no-one knew whether he was already baptised - you can't be baptised twice.)
Three days after that, he was admitted to the Asylum where he died 13 months later.
My great-grandfather died in Littlemore Hospital in 1903 and I was able to get his records from the Oxfordshire Health Archives. They've moved to the Oxfordshire History Centre and you'd need to contact them as I don't know what the procedure is now.
I do hope this is helpful.
Carol
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Yes it is viewable on FindMyPast :
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000073%2f18730215%2f012
Many Thanks ShaunJ. That image wouldn't load for me earlier, and so I'm pleased to see it now.
Romilly.
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Romilly, I was wondering whether you're related to this family? The earlier thread implies that you were helping TheWombat but you both have Warren in your list of surnames. Just curious :)
Anyway, thanks to the OFHS transcripts I've found the baptisms of three more children of Samuel and Jane - and their burials, all under one year old, in 1861, 1866 and 1868. And then Jane died ..................... the next part, to me, is terribly poignant.
She was buried at St Barnabas Church, Oxford on 13 February 1873 - note the date - age 45 of Dawson Place, Canal Street.
Samuel DULSTON, son of Joseph (boatbuilder) and Cecily of Whitchurch, born 18 July 1811, was conditionally baptised at St Barnabas on 13 February 1876. ('Conditionally' means no-one knew whether he was already baptised - you can't be baptised twice.)
Three days after that, he was admitted to the Asylum where he died 13 months later.
My great-grandfather died in Littlemore Hospital in 1903 and I was able to get his records from the Oxfordshire Health Archives. They've moved to the Oxfordshire History Centre and you'd need to contact them as I don't know what the procedure is now.
I do hope this is helpful.
Carol
Yes, it's all very helpful indeed. Many Thanks Carol.
Yes, The Wombat and I were looking at the same family. It's somewhat complicated, as his Father was my Grandfather... :)
If William Dulston/William James Warren were the same person, then he would have been my GreatGreatGrandfather. I am now inclined to think that this is the case, because on the 1881 Census James Warren gives his Place of Birth as 'St Giles, Oxford'. (There is no Warren Birth for 1856/'57 that fits, - but of course William Dulston was Born there). I have the 1876 Marriage Cert for William Dulston and Eliza Watkins, and all of her details seem to fit with James Warren on the 1881 and 1891 Censuses).
I would think that after the sad saga of the Dulston Parents... their children might have wished to distance themselves. I don't know why the name WARREN was selected... (I was hoping that it might have been a family name from further back in the family... but I can't see it anywhere).
Romilly.
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Hi Again Carol,
I meant to ask... Are the OFHS transcripts available on-line? Or do you have to join before you can search?
Cheers, Romilly.
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Sorry for delay Romilly, we're 8 hours ahead of you so I was asleep when you posted! Also my phone can't do links but this laptop can, so now I can give you this: http://www.ofhs.org.uk
Transcripts are available on CD at £17.50 and each one contains several parishes (and sometimes other institutions). You don't have to join to buy CDs or books and the price is the same for non-members. The website tells you which records are on which disc.
If you've just got a few things to look up, OFHS will charge only £1.50 per item to do a search for you - details on the website, or via email at help[AT]ofhs.org.uk.
Very little is online at the moment but that will change eventually. Ancestry have had the OFHS scans of all available PRs for some time but haven't yet announced a release date.
So you can buy the CDs, pay for look-ups, or wait for Ancestry - the choice is yours :)
Carol
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Many thanks for all of the additional info Carol, - Much appreciated.
I will go through it all... and will hopefully visit there when the weather becomes more Spring like(!)
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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I think that I've found Richard Hooper's Will! (Jane Hooper's Father). Jane Hooper is mentioned in it, - along with her siblings.
(I'm trying to follow back on both sides to see if the name 'WARREN' crops up anywhere).
Romilly.
First name(s) Richard
Last name HOOPER
Date 1833
Entry year 1833
Place Oxford
County Oxfordshire
Description HOOPER Richard. Cordwainer of Oxford
Record type N
Reg 8770
Record set Bank of England Wills Extracts 1717-1845
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain
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Hi Romilly (and others)
The marriage of William DULSTON and Eliza WATKINS in 1876 took place in Portsea, Hampshire. Their address at time of marriage was Ryde, Isle of Wight. There were two witnesses; the male witness was the Vicar's son, and the female lived a few houses away from the church. As you may have mentioned there is no apparent entries for this DULSTON couple after this event. It prompts me, though, to ask myself why get married (anonymously) in Portsea when there seemed to be an abundance of churches on the IofW.
Interestingly buried in the Portsea churchyard was a William WARREN.
William and Eliza WARREN crop up with the birth of their first son, William Edward, in August 1876 when they were living in Ventnor, Isle of White.
After all these years, this is still doing my head in ....
Regards
TheWombat
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Hi Romilly (and others)
Interestingly buried in the Portsea churchyard was a William WARREN.
TheWombat
Perhaps it was just as simple as noticing a gravestone... and making the decision there and then? (Stranger things have happened).
His siblings seem to have followed suit... and also changed to Warren. Have you read the full Newspaper Article btw?
Romilly.
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Must have missed this last post of yours, Romilly, no I haven't seen the article in question.
Regards ....