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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: dbandcwells2 on Wednesday 02 March 16 16:37 GMT (UK)
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Did Thomas Rae emigrate to the USA?
His parents were Peter McGowan Rae & Margaret McDonald.
He had one brother, John born in 1894, who died in 1915 & 2 sisters: Margaret born in 1901 & Jessie born in 1905.
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HI,
Thomas Rae with that birth date (18 November 1898) does not show on the SSDI (social security death index) which was up and running by 1962 ish. If he pased away before that date then he wouldn't show - so that search is not conclusive.
Any idea when he disappears from Scottish records ? Are there any military records for him ?
Sandra
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Any info ref Passenger Lists?
The last place his name is documented is in the 1911 Census (Cambusnethan, Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland).
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There is a Thomas Rae born 1898 who appears on a multitude of New York Passenger and Crew Lists but it gives no further details of him. https://familysearch.org/ have some passenger lists for New York, Philadelphia etc.,
Sandra
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The U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes has a record of a Thomas Rae born 18 Nov 1898 applying for citizenship in Detroit, Michigan on 23 Apr 1929. It's just an index card so there are no other details.
The 1930 US census has a Thomas Rae and a Jessie Rae listed as boarders in Detroit. Both are listed as single and born in Scotland. Their ages match up with Thomas and his sister, Jessie. Here's a link:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRHN-QPL (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRHN-QPL)
There is a passenger list entry for a Jessie Rae who was on the Caledonia which departed from Glasgow and arrived in New York on 10 Dec 1929. Jessie was a dressmaker. She gives her last permanent residence as Airdrie, Scotland and gave her nearest relative in Scotland as Mrs. Maggie Rae, 130 Clark Street, Airdrie. She was going to her brother, Thomas Rae, 6119 Lakeview Avenue, Detroit. This information matches up with the 1930 census entry.
Jessie didn't stay in the US very long. There is an incoming UK passenger list for the California which departed from New York and arrived in Glasgow on 25 Jan 1931 that has Jessie listed. She indicates Scotland was her intended permanent residence with 130 Clark Street, Airdrie listed as her UK address.
Jacquie
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There is a passenger list for the Franconia which departed from Liverpool and arrived in New York on 1 Aug 1923 with a Thomas Rae. He was 24, a steel dresser and was destined to Detroit. His closest relative in Scotland was his mother, Mrs. Margaret Smith, 130 Clark Street, Airdrie.
Thomas returned to Scotland on the California which departed from New York and arrived in Glasgow on 4 Aug 1935. He gave 130 Clark Street, Airdrie as his UK address. He also indicated his intended permanent residence was a "foreign country" (that's the column head).
He returned to the US on the Transylvania which departed from Glasgow and arrived in New York on 3 Feb 1936. His listed address is the same as was listed on Jessie's passenger list and the 1930 census. The passenger list also indicates he became a naturalized citizen of the US on 29 Jul 1929.
There is also a passenger list for the Cameronia which departed from Glasgow and arrived in New York on 17 Aug 1936 that lists a Catherine Bell Rae. She was going to join her husband Thomas Rae, 6119 Lakeview Avenue, Detroit. The Lakeview address is crossed out and was replaced with 4515 Crane Avenue. Catherine lists her mother, Mrs. John Rankine as her nearest relative in Scotland.
This information matches a 1940 US census entry for Thomas and Katherine Rae in St. Clair Shores (a suburb of Detroit), Michigan:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h6m/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h6m/)
ScotlandsPeople has a 1935 marriage in Glasgow for Thomas Rae and Catherine B. Rankine.
Catherine is buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Detroit. Here is a picture of her grave marker:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=130853037&PIpi=102856607 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=130853037&PIpi=102856607)
There wasn't an entry for Thomas and I can't find a death for him.
Jacquie
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Thank you so much to 'Sandra' & 'Jacqui in Canada'.
Will check all this out.......but the info looking good!! 😃😃😃
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Great stuff Jackie - ;)
Sandra
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If you don't have it, SP has a marriage registration for James Smith and Margaret McDonald or Rae by Sheriff Substitute dated 1922. James' address is listed as 130 Clark Street, Airdrie.
If you would like a copy of this and/or Margaret's death registration then please PM me your email address and I will send them to you.
Jacquie
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Thank you Jacquie......but I do have the Marriage Cert for Margaret McDonald & James Smith, (Thomas Rae's mothers 2nd Marriage).
I appreciate all the help you have given me.....its been fantastic!!
Only thing left for me to find out, is where/when Thomas Rae died & what family of his is out there.
Thanks
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Only thing left for me to find out, is where/when Thomas Rae died & what family of his is out there.
I'm glad I could help.
Thomas and his wife had no children listed with them on the 1940 census. Since they married in 1936 and Catherine was listed as being 41 on the 1940 census it seems really doubtful they would have had any children born after 1940.
Jacquie
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There's an entry on this death index for a Thomas Rae who died in Wayne Co. in 1960 - https://macombvitals.macombcountymi.gov/death.php There's no further detail, so it's unclear if it's him.
You could try contacting the cemetery where his wife was buried to see if he is also there. http://forestlawndetroit.com/
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Thomas Rae was born on 18 Nov 1898 in Carluke, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
He lived in Detroit.
His wife's name was Catherine Bell Rae (nee Rankine). She died on 27 May 1969 & is buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery, Detroit.
Recent info......death possibly on 12 Feb 1960 in Wayne County.
Has anyone more concrete evidence?
Topics on same person merged ~ moderator
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His wife's name was Catherine Bell Rae (nee Rankine).
Note: A quick search at SP and Ancestry shows some documents have her maiden surname as Rankin.
Jacquie
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Has anyone more concrete evidence?
Topics on same person merged ~ moderator
The USA does not have a BMD Index as does the UK - so there are no records available online for the time frame you are searching. As Shelly suggested, it may be worthwhile contacting the cemetery to see if Thomas is buried with Catherine.
Sandra
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Thanks.....but it would appear that Forest Lawn Cemetery does not have an email address!!!
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Would have to be telephone or snail mail then :-\
Sandra
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Try this !!!!!!!!!
http://forestlawndetroit.com/about-us/
Sandra
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Sandra......HAD already tried this!!!!!!!!!
Fields that are mandatory........WILL NOT ACCEPT any info outside the USA!!!!
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I think the 1960 entry may be the right one. In searching the Detroit Free Press archives, I can see a snippet of an obituary that looks like Rae, Thomas beloved......erine. Presumably, it says beloved husband of Katherine, but I can't see the full article without paying.
http://freep.newspapers.com/search/#query=%22rae%2C+thomas%22+husband&dr_year=1960-1960
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Well done Shelly - ;) I hope the poster appreciates your efforts.
Using capital letters denotes "shouting" - please do not shout at me, I was trying to help you.
Perhaps if you explained the problem correctly in the first place, instead of claiming they did not have an e-mail address, we might have understood what you meant a little better.
Sandra
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Thank you Shelly.....really appreciate your efforts, looks like you've found the answer. 😃
Sandra.....thank you too for your help.
Using capital letters was not intended to appear as if I was shouting at you. I apologise if you had that impression. Your long series of explanation marks conveyed to me that you were either impatient with me or thought I was stupid!
I had already pursued the obvious routes. I was merely trying to convey the challenges still in my way. 😔
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I think the 1960 entry may be the right one. In searching the Detroit Free Press archives, I can see a snippet of an obituary that looks like Rae, Thomas beloved......erine. Presumably, it says beloved husband of Katherine, but I can't see the full article without paying.
http://freep.newspapers.com/search/#query=%22rae%2C+thomas%22+husband&dr_year=1960-1960
You're right is does say Catherine.
Adjusting the search criteria provided the missing part of the snippet.
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Sandra
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Hi, it would appear that I can't send a PM yet because I haven't posted often enough. Just to let you know that I'm not ignoring you. :)
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HI,
Welcome to RootsChat
You should be able to send one now that you have 2 posts - give it another try and see what happens.
Good Luck.
Sandra
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Thanks I'll try now.