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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: jimgillbanks on Monday 29 February 16 10:43 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am looking for information regarding the Jeffers family believed to be from Co. Armagh, He was born 1842 according to the 1871 Liverpool Census, and his father was Matthew Jeffers, a Farmer, any information would be gratefully received. Thanks, Jim Gillbanks.
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Hi,
The Griffiths valuation ( c1864) shows a Matthew Jeffers renting a house and about ten acres of land in the townland of Armaghbrague in the parish of Lisnadill.
Regards
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Thank you,kingskerswell; That could possibly be Joseph's father Matthew, Now I have to find which church they would frequent, thank you once again for your quick reply. Jim.
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What denomination were your family?
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The will of a David Jeffers in 1859 in Tullybrone naming his wife Mary nee Kennedy, and his sister, Margaret Jeffers, as his beneficiaries. Oath made by Mary Hogg of Armaghbrague.
Matthew's land passed to a John Haughey in 1871 (Griffiths Valuation Revision Book). There is a death index entry for a Matthew, aged 70, who died in 1870 in the Mohill registration district who is likely the same individual.
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Hello Elwyn, It is hard to say, When he married in Liverpool it was at St Luke's Anglican Church, but his children were all baptised Catholic, except one, who was baptised Anglican, and he was buried as a Catholic.
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Hello Eileen, thank you for that information, that could be very useful. My main reason for posting is to find the baptism record of Joseph supposedly born 1842, family tradition has it that he was from Armagh, and his marriage certificate stated that his Father was Matthew Jeffers, a Farmer, there may have been another son, a Samuel Jeffers of Liverpool has his Father named Matthew Jeffers, a Farmer on his Marriage certificate too.
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If your family are the Armabrague one Kingskerswell has noted, then that’s in the civil parish of Lisnadill and the RC parish of Kilclooney. The RC baptism records are on-line on the National Library site but unfortunately do not start till 1844, so if 1842 is accurate as Joseph’s date of birth, you may not find it. (You might find siblings born later though).
The Church of Ireland in Armaghbreague lost it’s early records in the 1922 fire, so has none before 1877. Methodists (Keady) have baptisms from 1815, Presbyterian Armaghbrague from 1908, and 2nd Keady pres church from 1855. So in short, apart from the Methodists, no denomination has any records for 1842.
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Jimgillbanks, as Elwyn has so ably described, these are some of the many drawbacks of searching for Irish ancestors.
Regards
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Thanks you once again Elwyn, It does look like my options are limited, but I will try The RC records, his birth date could have been a bit later than stated on the Census, and of course the Methodists may have something useful. Once again many thanks for your help. Regards, Jim.
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Hi Kingskerswell, thank you, yes I have noticed that researching Irish ancestors is not an easy quest, but I shall have a look at the two possible sites Elwyn has suggested, and hope I hit paydirt. Once again thank you for your help in my search. Regards, Jim.
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This is my Family, Joseph came to Liverpool, presumably because the farm wouldn't support all the family. he was my Great Grandfather, his Grandson was also called Mathew (my father) . Both my father and grandfather were professional soldiers and served in Boer War , 1st WW & 2nd WW. Grandfather moved from Liverpool to the North-East. I am one of 10 brothers and sisters.
Do hope you pick this up.
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Joseph was my Grandfathers brother. He enlist for 1st WW with South Lancashire Regiment aged 38, he suffered mortal wounds at the Pashandale salient in 1917, was evacuated and died from his wounds. Buried Anfield Cemetery. His brother, my Grandfather was a Sgt with Liverpool Irish, he was 15 miles away fighting in 3rd battle of Ypres- survived the war and died in Middlesbrough in 1956.
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Hi JohnJ, thanks for replying, my Grandmother was Joseph's daughter Elizabeth Jane born 1878, you say Joseph born 1842 had a brother named John, I didn't know that, although a John Jeffers is mentioned in a book about Liverpool during the 1880's or 1890's, There is also a Samuel Jeffers born about 1836 at Forkhill, Armagh. Word handed down through my family say Joseph and family were from Armagh, although Joseph never stated where he was born, Samuel, who's Father was also named Matthew (Coincidence ?) states he was born at Forkhill. A further interesting point you made was that your Grandfather's Brother Joseph enlisted in the South Lancs Regiment during WWI So Did Samuel and my Grandad George, who was killed in October 1916, Samuel was severely wounded, shipped to hospital in England, but died in 1917, he too is buried in Anfield cemetery, Liverpool, perhaps Joseph and Samuel were in the same company, very interesting. Speak again.
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Jim - would like what I have on the family mid-1800's to 1960 ? If so how do we achieve this without me posting my address on an open chat post - Very new to this forum!
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Now that you've made three posts, you can use the private message feature to message other members.
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thank you Eileen I appreciate it! I will now have to look how to do this! lol.
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Jim, I also have an electronic copy of a photo of Joseph.
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KG
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Hi JohnJ. Yes that would be great.
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What denomination were your family?
Hello Elwyn, It is hard to say, When he married in Liverpool it was at St Luke's Anglican Church, but his children were all baptised Catholic, except one, who was baptised Anglican, and he was buried as a Catholic.
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Jim, I also have an electronic copy of a photo of Joseph.
Hi John, I'm sorry, I didn't see this as my PC packed up and couldn't reply, I would obviosly like to receive the picture. Regards, Jim.