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All I have is she was born 25/5/1931 not sure where
Died 19/3/1965 Perth WA
Parents Charles & Ann Old
TIA
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http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
#195 1931 OLD, Rhoda M; Female; Wellington
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Marriage
OLD Rhoda M
CHATFIELD Charles E
District Perth Reg#1918 1948
Death
CHATFIELD-FITCH Rhoda May 33 years
Father Charles Mother Ann
District Perth Reg#909 1965
Burial at Karrakatta
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00126343
Cando
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Australian Electoral Roll
1954
CHATFIELD Rhoda May 52a Beatty Avenue, Victoria Park HD
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h5o/
Rhoda Olds
you have a record for: Rhoda Olds married to Charles Earnest Chatfield in 1948 in Western Australia.
It should be Rhoda May Old. She was my grandmother. She divorced Charles and married my grandfather.
She was born may 25th 1931 in Perth WA
she had 2 sons to Charles.
Richard Charles Chatfield born in 1949, died march 19 2003 in Perth WA
Robert John Chatfield (Chaddy) died 1988 in Kalgoorlie WA.
I cannot see a marriage in WA to the end of 1965 and she died in Mar 1965 so why was she buried as a CHATFIELD?.
Cando
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Australian Electoral Roll
1954
CHATFIELD Rhoda May 52a Beatty Avenue, Victoria Park HD
Cando
FITCH, Keith Norman, 52a Beatty Avenue, Victoria Park, Shearer
Debra :)
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I wonder if there is any info about her parents, Charles & Ann
Can't find them on electoral roll,
Thanks for all your help so far.
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Rhoda's father?:
Death, WA, 1946 #23, registered at Canning WA
Charles E OLD
There are death notices for this man, Charles Edward OLD, aged 61 (b abt 1884), whose wife is shown as Ethel Mary and he has step-sons Allan and Trevor WEARE. There is no mention of a previous wife or children.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46158295
However on the next day is a death notice which states that he is the father of "Rhoda and Dorothy (USA)" - no mention that Rhoda is deceased.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46158517
Outgoing UK passenger list show a Chas E OLD, farmer ticketed to Fremantle, 3rd class passenger on the Omrah out of Tilbury (London) March 1911, with his wife named "Mrs" ::)
Fremantle inward passenger lists correspond with Mr and Mrs Chas OLD arriving 4 April.
Quite a long gap to Rhoda's birth, though ???
1937 Electoral roll, at Gwalia, Mount Leonora, Kalgoorlie District
Charles Edward OLD, contractor
Anne OLD, home duties
Judith
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The mother's death?
Ann OLD aged 63
PARENTS George O and Harriett
Canning District reg. #93 in 1961
Father's second marriage
Charles E OLD to Ethel M WARE
Canning reg. #39 in 1945
Essie
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Possibility.
Charles Edward Old of Carlisle, motor accident, 1941.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/95060234?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Is there any record of a Dorothy Nance Old or just Dorothy who is her sister . a birth or married perhaps . What name did she go to USA under..
TIA ???
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Possibly...........
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-state=Western+Australia&q=%22Dorothy+OLD%22&l-category=Family+Notices
The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879 - 1954) Saturday 5 January 1946
CODER (nee Dorothy Old).—On January 2, at St Ives, Hubert-street, Victoria Park to Dorothy and Don (U.S.N.)................
BUT.......this marriage in 1945
Dorothy N LEITCH to Donald L CODER
Perth reg. #361
Essie
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Hi,
Following on from Essie's post #10
This info from Ancestry.
Sadly I don't have world wide subs at the moment...
Californian Passenger lists Maria Ann 3/12 travelling with Donald L Coder
Arrival 15 may 1946
port San Francisco
Ship Fred .C. Ainsworth
Destination Davenport.
Port of Departure.Fremantle.
Social Security Index
Dorothy Nance Coder
Birth 11Dec 1924 Perth ,Australia
Parents Charles E LEITCH Nance A LEITCH
Death date 23 Aug 1988
Also this entry for Maria Ann Coder
Death 24 April 1989
Name listed as M A Smith (possible Married name)
Given the birth notice details the marriage cert may give some clues regarding Dorothy's parents.
Daphne fan
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Yes,I just posted that info, makes one wonder,was she adopted.
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I wonder if in fact Dorothy's mother had the surname LEITCH and her father really was Charles Edward OLD.
One marriage in the UK for a Charles Edward OLD was in the DEC Q 1906, Beverley 9d / 237
to
BURTON Ada Jane Beverley 9d / 237
or
OLIVER Jessie Beverley 9d / 237
So who was the supposed wife Ann for whom it appears a marriage was not in the UK or WA?
I have previously encountered the name Nancy/Nance AKA Ann.
Essie
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Harriett Warboys married George Auld Leitch . lived in Collie
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This looks as though this may be Charles Edward OLD in UK, particularly given the names of his sisters which he used for his daughters.
Birth,
Sep qr, 1884, registered at Sculcoates. Vol 9d, p 191
Charles Edward OLD
1891 at Maurice Ave, Kingston-upon-Hull
Charles R OLD 30, joiner, b Middlesex
Eliza W OLD 28, b Werlsby?, Lincolnshire
Charles E OLD 6, b Hull
Lillian OLD 4, b Hull
Daisy OLD 4/12, b Hull
1901 at 32 Welbeck St, Sculcoates, places of birth, relationships as above, all chn born Hull.
Charles R OLD 40, foreman joiner
Charles E OLD 16, farm labourer
Lilian OLD 14
Daisy OLD 10
Dorothy OLD 4
Rhoda M OLD 3/12
Francis Challans 24
Sadly it would appear that the mother had died earlier in 1901 than the census which was held on the night of 31 March - see below
I don't see Charles Edward in 1911 which fits with his emigration date.
Birth of his mother - occasionally her surname appears as "Long"
1862, Mar qr, registered Caistor, Lincolnshire, Vol 7a, p 573
Eliza Wilkinson LING
Parents' marriage
Mar qr 1884, reg Sculcoates. Vol 9d, p 193
Death of his mother
1901, Mar qr, registered Sculcoates, Vol 9d, p 88
Eliza Wilkinson OLD, 38 (b abt 1863)
Judith
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The birth of Ann
33622/1888 WALLSEND
LEITCH Ann
Parents GEORGE and HARRIET
Marriage records for Ann's brothers and sisters in WA but no record for Ann or Nance A.
Essie
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1937 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
Division of Kalgoorlie. Subdivision of Mount Leonora.
Old Charles Edward, Gwalia, contractor.
Old Anne, Gwalia, home duties.
1943 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
Division of Swan. Subdivision of Canning
Old Charles Edward, 100 Raleigh St, Carlisle, contractor.
Old Anne, 100 Raleigh St, Carlisle, home duties.
Gerry
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Hmmm
As it seems that Charles arrived from UK with his 'wife' Mrs OLD perhaps her birth is one of these:
1884, Sep qr, reg Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
Ann LEITCH
1886 Sep qr, reg St Saviour Southwark London
Annie Elizabeth LEITCH
Otherwise we should look for Ann/Nancy going to UK.
However perhaps the Mrs OLD who came with Charles Edward was not Ann/Nancy but an earlier wife/partner. I mentioned in a previous post that there was quite a gap between Charles' arrival in 1911 and the birth of Rhoda in 1931. 20 years is long enough for him to have separated/divorced/widowed and re-partnered.
BTW the woman he married (assuming it's his marriage) in 1906 was Ada Jane BURTON, as the other woman on the same register page, Jessie, was living with her husband George WILLIAMSON in 1911. No sign of Ada in 1911 which would fit if she had gone to WA with Charles.
Judith
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Hi,
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46385395?searchTerm=
1939 Funeral Notice for George Auld Leitch of 100 Raleigh St Carlisle. (Same address as Charles Edward Old in 1943).
Gerry
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Could this be wife #1? My brain is full!!
Electoral Rolls,
1922, 1925 Ada Jane OLD, cook, at Kulin WA
No-one else of same surname at that address although Frederick George (brickmaker)and Ethel OLD are listed at Wagin (same electoral district), but I have no idea whether they are related.
Judith
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Did this offline a couple of days ago and much has been found so apologies for the duplications.
Australian Electoral Roll
1937 Kalgoorlie/Mt Leonora
OLD Anne Gwalia HD
OLD Charles Edward Gwalia Contractor
1943 Swan/Beverley
OLD Anne 100 Raleigh Street Carlisle HD
OLD Charles Edward 100 Raleigh Street Carlisle Contractor
1949 Swan/Beverley
OLD Anne 100 Raleigh Street Carlisle HD
1954 Swan/Victoria Park
OLD Ann 52a Beatty Avenue, Victoria Park HD
Australian Electoral Roll
1954
CHATFIELD Rhoda May 52a Beatty Avenue, Victoria Park HD
Cando
1958 Swan/Belmont
OLD Ann 16 Maida Vale Road, Carlisle HD
2nd marriage
OLD Charles E
WARE Ethel M
District Canning 1945 Reg#39
Death
OLD Charles E
District Canning Reg#23 1946
Burial record Charles E OLD
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00080241
Did Charles' 2nd wife remarry
OLD Ethel M
TUCKUOTT William H
District Bruce Rock Reg#14 1948
Death. Born c1898 - too young to marry in 1911.
OLD Ann
Father George O Mother Harriett
District Canning 63 years Reg#93 1961
However is there an error with Ann's age
The birth of Ann
33622/1888 WALLSEND
LEITCH Ann
Parents GEORGE and HARRIET
Essie
Cando
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Also looking for the true parents of Dorothy Nance Leitch (OLD ). Names listed on her death entry in US are Charles E & Nance A LEITCH. She was born in Perth 11 Dec 1924.
Many Thanks to everyone's hard work on this discussion...
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The Indexes don't show parent names but Dorothy N LEITCH was born 1924 Perth Ref # 3443
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/
Purchase the BC and it should show parents.
Neil
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Tucknott is the correct name.
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Also looking for the true parents of Dorothy Nance Leitch (OLD ). Names listed on her death entry in US are Charles E & Nance A LEITCH. She was born in Perth 11 Dec 1924.
I suspect "Nance A LEITCH" may have been Ann. I doubt Dorothy's children would have known Charles Edward was a married man when he met(?) Ann so Dorothy's birth was registered with her mother's surname though Dorothy grew up in the OLD household.
CODER (nee Dorothy Old).—On January 2, at St Ives, Hubert-street, Victoria Park to Dorothy and Don (U.S.N.)................
Dorothy's family in the US must have known that when Dorothy married she used the LEITCH surname as that was her registered birth surname. Also, the US family, especially husband Donald CODER, would have known Ann and Charles Edward OLD were a 'couple' prior to 1945, and maybe the CODER children assumed Dorothy's parents had the surname LEITCH.
Essie
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Tucknott is the correct name.
I transcribed the name as entered the Reverse Marriage Index. :)
Their burial records.
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00156494
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00072743
Cando
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Rhoda May Old is my maternal Grandmother.
The information in this thread is to the best of my knowledge all true.
Charles Chatfield was her first Husband. Keith Norman Fitch was her second.
There are two records of her death, one as a Chatfield and one as a Fitch. Why this is the case I haven't been able to get to the bottom of. I also haven't been able to confirm with 100% certainity who her parents were. As far as I can tell Ann/Nancy and Charles were both married more than once.
I give up searching I'm going to buy her birth certificate and be done with it.
Ps - I have been in contact with Dorothy and Donald Coders children in the USA, they haven't been much help.
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Charles Chatfield was her first Husband. Keith Norman Fitch was her second.
There are two records of her death, one as a Chatfield and one as a Fitch. Why this is the case I haven't been able to get to the bottom of. I
Have you considered that Rhoda did not marry the second time but was known as Rhoda May FITCH.
Cheers
Cando
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As a matter of interest
Charles the first husband may have more correctly been Ernest Charles CHATFIELD.
It looks from this as if Rhoda May was not happy in the marriage from at least 1953 onwards.
1953
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49082437
Sue
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Well Mum's birth certificate (1955) has Rhoda down as a Fitch but I haven't been able to confrim if her and Grandad were actually married. Mum doesn't know, she was only 10 when Rhoda died and it wasn't something Grandad would talk about.
I started all this research because I want to find a photo of Rhoda to give to my Mum. There has to be one somewhere!