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I have the marriage certificate of Sarah Kirk to Thomas Hallam in 1845. I am trying to trace her father but have very few details - Daniel Kirk, gardener. I have found his marriage to Elizabeth Cooper in Ancaster, Lincolnshire in 1799 but their the trail ends. Sarah Kirk was baptised in 1843 in Loughborough so I presume the family was living there at that time.
Would be grateful for any further information.
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Are the dates right there Jane?
Sarah married 1845 but baptised 2 years earlier in 1843?
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Are the dates right there Jane?
Sarah married 1845 but baptised 2 years earlier in 1843?
Looks like it, according to FamilySearch
Name Sarah Kirk
Gender Female
Christening Date 28 Dec 1843
Christening Place ALL SAINTS,LOUGHBOROUGH,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date 1813
Father's Name Daniel Kirk
Mother's Name Elizth.
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Just a thought maybe Thomas Hallam's family were very religious and to get engaged or accepted by his family she needed to be taken formally into the church and so was Christened.
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Was Thomas Hallam a widower on the 1845 marriage cert? The 1851 has a 13yr old daughter Sarah Hallam b Loughborough but I can't find an 1841 entry
There is this baptism but it doesn't fit an 1845 marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMJP-HJ6
Is this the right 1851 entry? All b Loughborough except Thomas
Thomas Hallam 46 labourer b East Leake Notts
Sarah 38 b Loughborough
Sarah 13
John Cooper Hallam 5
Thomas 3
Frederick 1
HO107 Piece 2085 Folio 162 Page 18
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I don't have full transcripts but a Daniel Kirk aged 71 was buried 6 Feb 1816 at Loughborough All Saints, and a Daniel Kirk aged 54 was buried 29 Sept 1829 at Woodgate Baptist Church, Loughborough.
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties 02 October 1829:
On Tuesday, an inquest was taken before C. Meredith, Gent, Coroner, at the Black Horse Inn, Loughborough, on the body of Daniel Kirk, gardener, aged 55, who, late on Saturday night, missed his way, and making a wrong turn, got into a manure hole, where he was found suffocated on Sunday morning. Verdict, accidental death.
If Sarah's family were Baptist it could explain her late baptism into the Church of England.
I can't see an Elizabeth but an Eliza Kirk aged 62 was buried 26 Feb 1842 at Woodgate Baptist, and on 11 Oct 1841 an Eliza Kirk aged 19. All other burials there are children.
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Sarah's sister was christened the same day
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3CK-ZGS
Another sister here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMJG-2TL
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Thomas Hallam was born in East Leake. His first wife was SARAH Mansfield who died in 1843. Second wife was SARAH Kirk. It is DANIEL KIRK who I am trying to find. The only information I have is in my first posting. I also read the newspaper article but this Daniel Kirk seems to be a little bit too old as he was born in 1764. The marriage to Elizabeth Cooper was in 1799 and Sarah Kirk was not born until 1813. He would have been 49 then - of course it`s possible, but I think it is unlikely unless he had a very young wife.
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A general question about marriage certificates. If the father of the bride/bridegroom is dead, does it show him as deceased on the certificate?
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I also read the newspaper article but this Daniel Kirk seems to be a little bit too old as he was born in 1764. The marriage to Elizabeth Cooper was in 1799 and Sarah Kirk was not born until 1813. He would have been 49 then - of course it`s possible, but I think it is unlikely unless he had a very young wife.
If he died aged 54/55 in 1829 then he was born c 1774, and would have been aged c25 at marriage & 39 when Sarah was born
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:-[Whoops! It`s a bit late where I am. Time I went to bed, I think.
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Not necessarily. It all depends on how the question re: father is asked or information given/recorded.
Numerous instances found where the father is not shown as deceased - but was.
EDIT
You appear to have edited your post above. You asked if the grooms father was deceased - would that be shown on the marriage cert
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reply to Jomot
I am new in this forum so don`t know if I am doing things correctly. Please send me more details about the death of Daniel Kirk aged 71 who was buried 6 Feb 1816 at Loughborough All Saints. Or send me the link where I can find this.
Many thanks.
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Hi Jane
The only information I have on the burial of Daniel Kirk aged 71 is from a CD produced by Leicestershire & Rutland FHS, which is an index only and so only gives minimal information. There may be more information in the actual Parish Register, but this is usually limited to abode and possibly occupation.
If you place a Look Up request on the Leicestershire boards someone may be able to provide you with the full transcript.
Added: Familysearch has a baptism of a Daniel Kirk in Loughborough on 21 Sep 1744, son of Samuel.
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Hi Jomot,
What do you mean by the Leicester boards? Can you send me a link please? I am not in the UK.
Thank you.
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You should see a strip near the top of this page, underneath the Rootschat banner. Select Forum, then scroll down to England, then Leicestershire. Click into there and at the top is Leicestershire Look-up Requests.
If you cant find it then this should take you there:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/leicestershire-lookup-requests/
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Many thanks for your help. I am a newcomer to this forum, and haven`t quite found my way round yet.