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Title: Nunn Family with the Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: LJBeastie on Thursday 25 February 16 13:07 GMT (UK)
Hello!

I have a photo which I'd appreciate dating and which is causing a bit of debate!

This is a photo of my great-grandmother's family which has only recently surfaced :)

We're all very curious about the gentleman's trousers! Why do they have buttons up to the knee?! Do they have a practical purpose?

He worked in a brewery so I wondered if that might have something to do with it.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed some light on this!
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 25 February 16 14:30 GMT (UK)
With a topic heading like that I just had to have a look  ;D

You could be right that it was something to do with his occupation - or maybe they were refashioned from sleeves?
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 25 February 16 15:34 GMT (UK)
He maybe had to get inside a vat & do a bit of tramping?

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 25 February 16 16:14 GMT (UK)
Actually they don't look like trouser bottoms do they so maybe he is wearing protective apparel like chaps that you button over your ordinary trousers! 
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: cms on Thursday 25 February 16 16:33 GMT (UK)
I agree with Milliepede. They are gaiters worn over trousers. Which also however have buttons so perhaps they were calf length trousers - breeches, knickerbockers or whatever - with matching gaiters. They must have been considered smart wear to have worn them for the portrait photograph.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Regorian on Thursday 25 February 16 17:01 GMT (UK)
Googling brewers trousers 1920 images there are a lot of breeches shown. Not the button up add on though.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Rhododendron on Thursday 25 February 16 17:31 GMT (UK)
They could just be spats (I think they were called) that were worn in cold weather - to help keep the wearer warm.

I think that might be why he is wearing them.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: cms on Thursday 25 February 16 17:42 GMT (UK)
I have got a book called Occupational Costume in England and it describes, and illustrates, the costume of a Drayman, or driver of horsedrawn brewery delivery vehicles, wearing gaiters just like these.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 25 February 16 17:54 GMT (UK)
These were very common day wear from farmers to road labourers.
Leather breeches & gaiters with no wear so must be his best pair.
Odd to see a man in these when he's otherwise smartly dressed.He must have had a decent pair of trousers.
Datewise 1917-20 possibly 21.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Rhododendron on Thursday 25 February 16 19:09 GMT (UK)
Agree with jim that it is odd to see him being photographed in these - if they were his working clothes.  That is why I think they are in effect leg warmers, to keep out the cold.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 25 February 16 19:38 GMT (UK)
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  That is why I think they are in effect leg warmers, to keep out the cold.

Long Johns stuffed with old newspaper was much cheaper.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Viktoria on Thursday 25 February 16 21:50 GMT (UK)
They do look like gaiters and often these were worn by farmers as well as Ag labs. I can remember farmers wearing them on market days at Welshpool .                                                               The mine captain and anyone of any standing such as farmers and land agents  wore them. In these cases they replaced the sacking leg wrappings  worn by poor Ag labs.
The better quality ones were of Bedford Cord, a diagonal woven twill fabric, usually a browny fawn colour. They would be replaced in bad weather by knee length boots.
                               Viktoria.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: John915 on Thursday 25 February 16 22:52 GMT (UK)
Good evening,

He is wearing britches with matching spats in good quality cloth so best wear. Spats is a shortening of spatterdashes (spatter guards) for wear when the weather is inclement. In the 20s (you may correct me Jim) they became a fashion item for men and women. Usually white but other colours were used. They come as short or long, short being the usual fashion item while long were more of a work item (see photo).

The british army webbing gaiter and the older puttees were only forms of spats. Also worn by several other armies.

If I can find them I still have two of my Grandfathers sets in leather with lace up sides.

John915

PS. The fancy buttons would also indicate best wear, they are matching as well on britches and spats.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Viktoria on Friday 26 February 16 01:08 GMT (UK)
 I only looked at the legwear but looking again the young woman wears a corsage and the man a small buttonhole, could it be a wedding photograph? people in those days wed very simply , no big receptions and often people`s   Sunday best was their  usual outfit.
On another point the young woman( she is very pretty)has a  very pronounced bunion on her left foot. My maternal grandma, two aunties and my Mum had this  condition it   and has come down to my sister.    .Viktoria.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Wiggy on Friday 26 February 16 05:01 GMT (UK)
I thought the shape of the top of the trousers looked a little like jodphurs too - so that would equate with working with horses maybe.  :-\

Wiggy
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: barryd on Friday 26 February 16 06:16 GMT (UK)
He is wearing boots rather than shoes. This seems to give evidence that he is dressed in working clothes. And that he (and she) were happy to have the photograph taken with him wearing them. 
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Friday 26 February 16 08:15 GMT (UK)
Similar to

http://www.riverjunction.com/Trousers--Cotton-Vaquero-Pants--Cotton-Canvas_p_1232.html

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: ScouseBoy on Friday 26 February 16 08:22 GMT (UK)
He is wearing boots rather than shoes. This seems to give evidence that he is dressed in working clothes. And that he (and she) were happy to have the photograph taken with him wearing them.
  Shoes would not have looked right with those stylish trousers.
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: mozza29 on Friday 26 February 16 09:09 GMT (UK)
Repair and color for you LJ. 
Regards,

Morrie
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: youngtug on Friday 26 February 16 09:15 GMT (UK)
The height of fashion at one time;

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and;
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Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Skoosh on Friday 26 February 16 10:45 GMT (UK)
Maybe these trousers could be removed in a hurry without troubling to take the boots off, hence the fine family in the pic'.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Nunn Family with the Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: LJBeastie on Sunday 01 January 17 13:53 GMT (UK)
Hello everyone!

Thank you all so much for your replies. I must have lost track of this thread somehow otherwise I'd have replied earlier! But I'm so grateful for all your comments and the colour restoration is lovely mozza29!!

Thanks again everyone!

LJ
Title: Re: Nunn Family with the Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Malcolm Peck on Friday 06 January 17 00:40 GMT (UK)
Dear Nunn family

I have just started to use Rootschat, what a great site.

I have nothing to add to the comments however, my great grandmother Priscilla (b 1846 in Chevington) was a Nunn.  She married Charles Peck in 1872 and had 7 children.  Could your Nunn and mine be related?

Happy New Year
Title: Re: Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 06 January 17 05:29 GMT (UK)
Maybe these trousers could be removed in a hurry without troubling to take the boots off, hence the fine family in the pic'.  ;D ;D

Skoosh,

You should have a page of your own for your quips  ;D

They were 'Nunns' (None o' this & that)  ::)

Annie
Title: Re: Nunn Family with the Mysterious Trousers...
Post by: LJBeastie on Saturday 07 January 17 13:11 GMT (UK)
Dear Nunn family

I have just started to use Rootschat, what a great site.

I have nothing to add to the comments however, my great grandmother Priscilla (b 1846 in Chevington) was a Nunn.  She married Charles Peck in 1872 and had 7 children.  Could your Nunn and mine be related?

Happy New Year

Hello Malcolm,

All of my Nunn family come from Fornham (All Saints and Genevieve) but it's always possible :)

LJ