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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: chiplassie on Wednesday 24 February 16 14:12 GMT (UK)
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I have been chipping away at some family details since viewing the 1885 will written by Elizabeth (Eliza) Clements nee Agnew. Daniel McGookin of Ballyboley was one of her executors, and since his mother was Martha Clements I am trying to determine if there is in fact a family connection or not.
I have learned that Elizabeth's husband was James Clements s/o Andrew Clements of Kilwaughter. They married 1850 and their ages (20 and 21yrs) are not consistent with Elizabeth's death (70 years in 1885). Also, James' brother, David Clements married Jane Crowe (sister to Daniel McGookin's wife Elizabeth Crowe). So that may prove to be part of the picture too.
KiwiRose mentioned Elizabeth (Agnew) Clements' son, Thomas John Clements marrying Sarah Moore. I suppose I am actually hoping someone knows more about the father Andrew Clements of Headwood Kilwaughter. Can anyone add to some of these details?
Regards,
CL
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Hi, a couple of bits that may be useful. I found a will on PRONI for an Andrew Clements who died 24 Jan 1885 of Lisnahuncheon, Antrim leaving his goods to wife Eliza Clements and also the notation of a will for Andrew Clements who died 1852 in Kilwaughter (no further info on this will available). There is also a will for a Thomas Clements of Headwood, Kilwaughter who died 2 March 1878. A brother perhaps??
As to Martha Clements, I have located 1 who is the widow. Martha wife of Robert Clements who died in Belfast 11 Jan 1866. Four births for Martha;
Births:
Martha Clements
bap. 24 March 1842
parents: James & Elizabeth
place: Ballinderry by Moneymore, Derry
bap. 2 Nov 1862
parents: James & Mary
place: Ballymoney, Antrim
born. 16 Feb 1866
parents: David & Mary Thompson
place: Broughshane, Antrim
born. 23 Aug 1868
parents: William & Martha Sprott
place: Annahilt, Down
maybe one of these is yours??
also, if you look at the 1851 Ireland census for Kilwaughter, you will find several Agnew/Clements families. Hope this helps, Kim
In the freeholders records, in 1832, there is a listing for an Reverend Andrew Clements, Wellington St., Antrim. Could he be a relation?
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Daniel McGookin of Ballyboley was one of her executors, and since his mother was Martha Clements I am trying to determine if there is in fact a family connection or not.
Should it not be Martha (Clements) McGookin rather than Martha Clements widow of Robert?
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Thank you for the additional details blemdookie. I had found an 1851 Will notation for Andrew in Antrim, but was not aware of a death in Kilwaughter 1852. That sounds promising.
CL
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Hello Chipladdie,
I hope the following information will help you with your Kilwaughter Clements and lead you back to the father, Andrew Clements.
There is information on a David Clements in the book “Old Families of Larne and District” I suspect that this David may be a son of your Andrew.
OLD FAMILIES OF LARNE & DISTRICT
https://download.e-bookshelf.de/download/0000/8399/...0000839935...
David Clements, farmer, late of Craiganorne, Kilwaughter, who died on 7 June 1880 aged 62 years, is buried in the Kilwaughter Cemetery. Other members of David’s family, including a son Andrew, and some grandchildren are also buried there.
David’s will on Proni, granted in 1883 has sons Andrew Clement’s, school teacher of Kilwaughter and Alexander Clements, a farmer of Kilwaughter named as executors.
Regards
KiwiRose.
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www.discovereverafter.com/
Burial of an Andrew Clements. 1852 Old Ballynure Graveyard. Is this the Andrew that blemdookie found?
Old Ballynure Graveyard has an Andrew Clements who was lost at sea on an unknown day in May 1852 aged only 22 years. There are a total of 19 Clements buried in Old Ballynure.
Regards,
KiwiRose
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Thank you KiwiRose, you may be right about the Andrew Clements lost at sea. Also thank you for mentioning the book. I have checked it out and it seems a younger Andrew Clements and his brother David Clements were ministers in the Presbyterian Church in the 1950s in Ontario Canada. They apparently attended school at Craiganorne. So I will follow up on that. I appreciate your comments and details.
CL
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from http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/kilwaughter-parish.php#.VtImlcfHQ5Q
Clements, Andw Townland: Headwood Year: 1834 is explainable I think .
Clements, Jno. Townland: Headwood Year: 1834 needs sorting out I think?
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Yes I have seen that too, thank you. At least we have a date. As for John Clements, I have found he is the father of several sons with similar names to Andrew's, so possibly a brother......?
CL
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I have been chipping away at some family details since viewing the 1885 will written by Elizabeth (Eliza) Clements nee Agnew.
Could the date confusion be because the Will of Eliza Clements was not Eliza nee Agnew but rather Eliza nee Wallace? She is listed as the widow of a weaver who could have been Henry Clements, possibly another brother of Martha?
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Hi there,
Yes I have been advised by a Clements cousins (through our DNA connection) that Elizabeth was not an Agnew, but a McDowell. When she died, Eliza Clements was present and this was the Eliza Agnew who married James Clements.
I can now make sense of Daniel McGookin being executor for Elizabeth Clements, as her husband Henry a farmer/grocer, was his cousin. Henry and James were the sons of Andrew Clements; Martha Clements brother. So no further confusion.
Thank you for your comments,
CL
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Hi there,
Yes I have been advised by a Clements cousins (through our DNA connection) that Elizabeth was not an Agnew, but a McDowell. When she died, Eliza Clements was present and this was the Eliza Agnew who married James Clements.
I can now make sense of Daniel McGookin being executor for Elizabeth Clements, as her husband Henry a farmer/grocer, was his cousin. Henry and James were the sons of Andrew Clements; Martha Clements brother. So no further confusion.
Thank you for your comments,
CL
Hi CL,
I'm new to this research, so any guidance would be appreciated. My interest is in James Clements b~1817,d.24/2/1890 and married to Elizabeth Agnew 18/8/1850. They had six children :Maggie;Andrew;Martha Jane; Thomas John; James and Henry.
I agree that James' wife, Eliza Clements of Headwood is likely to be the person present at the death of Eliza Clements Craiganorne (widow of a weaver) on 3/9/1885.
There is obviously a connection between the two Clements families, but I'm struggling to make it!
In the 1851 census there is a linen weaver: Henry age 46 married in 1839 to Eliza age 36 since 1839 with a son called Andrew age either 7 or 1 and a mother-in-law called Marget Wallace.
So this entry has a Henry, an Eliza and an Andrew almost all the right ages. But a M-i-L called Wallace not McDowell
There is a record of a teacher Andrew Clements marrying Mary Gilmour (15/7/1867) and their eldest living child in 1885 was a Margaret Eleanor living in Annahilt. Margaret Eleanor is a beneficiary in Eliza's (Craiganorne) Will as a granddaughter. One of her five siblings was named Isabella McDowell Clements so there is a case that was certainly a family name. If Henry was 46 in 1851 he wouldn't be far away from the Henry Clements listed as a son of John Clements/Elizabeth Kirk born 6/2/1809. They also had a son James b. 12/2/1807, but that can't be my James as he's 10 years too old and his father is John not Andrew.
So questions!
The Martha Clements that married William McGookin on 17/4/1823. Was she a sister of Henry (linen weaver), Henry (Clements/Kirk) or even related at all?
Daniel McGookin b. 1827,d.15/10/1894 who married Elizabeth Crowe ~1860, had a son Samuel Alexander b. 20/8/1868 who ended up being an executor for Thomas John Clements in a reprise of the previous generation.
Any tips on how to trace James Clements?
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Hi again,
I'll send you a PM of what I have compiled on James Clements, as this is getting lengthy.
Regards,
CL
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Hi I'm new to the conversation. I too am looking for a James Clements connected to this family. He had a son Daniel born around 1940's in Antrim. Doesn't specify if it's County Antrim or Antrim town. I have DNA matches connecting me to this family and records connecting me to Daniel. But I need to find his father James to pull the whole thing together.
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Hello - coming late to this conversation.
I have a Hugh Clements McCurdy, born in 1938, whose parents were Hugh McCurdy [1891-1952] by his second wife, Mary Elizabeth Clements [1900-1988] - she was born at Headwood, Kilwaughter, the daughter of Thomas John Clements [1859-1934] and his wife Sarah Moore. He in turn was a son of James Clements [1822-1890] and Eliza Agnew [1831-1908] ... This James was a son of an Andrew Clements ...
I am trying to ascertain what the connection is between the earlier named Clements in the posting trail here, conscious that Henry Clements [1756-1831] was married firstly to Martha Simm [1752-1800], by whom he had his family, but that his second wife was a Mary McCurdy [per the gravestone in Old Ballynure] ... and thus trying to see if there is a connection between Hugh McCurdy above, and this Mary McCurdy, and thus, perhaps an indirect relationship with his wife Mary Elizabeth Clements ...
Grateful if anyone can help put me right on this 'conundrum' ...
Many thanks
Shane McCurdy
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Hi I'm new to the conversation. I too am looking for a James Clements connected to this family. He had a son Daniel born around 1940's in Antrim. Doesn't specify if it's County Antrim or Antrim town. I have DNA matches connecting me to this family and records connecting me to Daniel. But I need to find his father James to pull the whole thing together.
Hello Tissa55.
I'd be interested in hearing more details about your James Clements. What was his date of birth if you don't mind me asking?
Regards, CL
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Unfortunately I have no information at all on James Clements other than his being named as Daniel Clement’s father on his marriage certificate. According to Daniel’s RIC records he was born in Antrim (doesn’t specify town or county) so I assume that James also came from Antrim.
I have DNA matches to three individuals who each have this Clements family from Kilwaughter in their tree.
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Unfortunately I have no information at all on James Clements other than his being named as Daniel Clement’s father on his marriage certificate. According to Daniel’s RIC records he was born in Antrim (doesn’t specify town or county) so I assume that James also came from Antrim.
Would this be the marriage?
Marriage 15 August 1876 to Margaret Johnson. Swanlinbar Parish Church (CoI).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11178/8095579.pdf
Daniel stationed at Belcoo (Co Fermanagh).
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Yes indeed. Thats the marriage.
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…Mary Elizabeth Clements [1900-1988] - she was born at Headwood, Kilwaughter, the daughter of Thomas John Clements [1859-1934] and his wife Sarah Moore.
Born 21 November 1900 at Ballygowan, Raloo CP.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01978/1762223.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/raloo/raloo/ballygowan/
1901 census (Raloo mis-transcribed)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Raboo/Ballygowan/991280/
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1911 census for Clements (1901 at reply #19).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Raloo/Ballygowan/189753/
Youngest daughter Maggie Ann also born at Ballygowan, Raloo - 22 May 1902. MMN Moore
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01904/1738983.pdf
I have a Hugh Clements McCurdy, born in 1938, whose parents were Hugh McCurdy [1891-1952] by his second wife, Mary Elizabeth Clements [1900-1988]...
Marriage
Hugh McCurdy Clements 2nd July 1926 Newtownabbey
Mary Clements McCurdy 2nd July 1926 Newtownabbey
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/