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Hello,this is my first post on here.
I started researching my family tree for medical reasons but soon got bitten by the bug. I have found out a lot of information so far. I ordered the birth certificate of my great grandmother so I could find out my great great grandmothers name. On the certificate which I received today is indeed her mums name but In the box where the fathers name should be it is blank and has a line through it,the same with the fathers occupation box. The year was 1901. I'm thinking it must have been quite the scandal in that time?
My great great grandmother was called Sarah Elizabeth Peach and was a domestic servant. I think I have found her in records and that her date of birth was 1874. Her daughter was born 12/10/01 and named Ailah May. She was born at puddle hill bonsall UD but the address of her mother was south street,Newton Alfreton.
If I am correct Sarah married 3yrs after having her daughter to a William Housley. Who I presume wasn't the father as he isn't on the birth certificate.
Can anybody help with any further information on that family or as to why the father would have been left off a birth certificate?
Thank you.
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The lack of a fathers name on a birth certificate usually means the child is illegitimate.
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Birth Qdec 1901 Asbourne 7b 693 Ailah May Peach ?
The grandparents of Aila / Ala are immediately identifiable
Ray
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Yes those the details thank you.
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Birth Qdec 1901 Asbourne 7b 693 Ailah May Peach ?
The grandparents of Aila / Ala are immediately identifiable
Ray
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Yes I wa thinking as much
The lack of a fathers name on a birth certificate usually means the child is illegitimate.
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I've tried to message you but it's saying I can't send you a message. You mentioned you may have some information for me?
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Birth Qdec 1901 Asbourne 7b 693 Ailah May Peach ?
The grandparents of Aila / Ala are immediately identifiable
Ray
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The grandparents of Aila / Ala are immediately identifiable
Ray
I wouldn't say the Grandparents of Ailah are immediately identifiable
It seems Ailah went to stay with her Grandfather and his 2nd wife
It looks like Isaac and Charlotte are her grandparents
1881
Royal Oak Yard Private House Stonebroom Derbys
Isaac Peach Head M 30 Coal Miner Ilkeston DerbyCharlotte wife 31 Derbys
Sarah E daughter 6 Stanton Hill Derbys
Samuel Green lodger M 27 coal miner Notts
Charlotte green (lodger's wife ) M Derbys
RG11 3429 48 7
1891
Common Shirland Derbys
Isaac Peach Head WIDOWER 38 Coal Miner Grass lane Derbys
Sarah Elizabeth Peach daughter 16 Stoneford lane Derbys
Allan? Peach daughter 9 Radford Woodhouse
Sisey? Peach daughter 5 Stonebroom
RG12 2759 62
1901
Mount Pleasant Blackwell
Isaac Peach Head M 50 Coal Miner Ilkeston Drbys
Sarah A wife M 54 Derbys
RG13 31 35 7 27
Suz
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thuis looks a possible for the marriage of Sarah Elizabeth's parents (Ailah's grandparents
FreeBMD
Marriage
Jun qtr 1873
Shardlow reg dist
on same page
Isaac Peach
Charlotte Morley
7b 754
then death reg
Charlotte Peach
age 40
Mar qtr 1891
remarriage
Mar qtr 1892
Chesterfield
on same page
Isaac Peach
Sarah Thompson
7b 885
Suz
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what does seem to be strange is Sarah Elizabeth Peach had a daughter Ailah May in 1901 Sarah Elizabeth married William Housley and their 4th child together -b 1910 was also named Ailah (Housley)
Suz
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what does seem to be strange is Sarah Elizabeth Peach had a daughter Ailah May in 1901 Sarah Elizabeth married William Housley and their 4th child together -b 1910 was also named Ailah (Housley)
Suz
Yes, the first Ailah (Peach) is with her grandparents, whilst the younger Ailah (Housley) is, as you mention, Suzard, with her parents.
I wondered, before looking at the 1911 census entries, if the elder Ailah would be shown as the 'daughter' of her grandparents, as often happened with illegitimate births, and therefore did not 'belong' in the Housley family so another child could be given her name. But she is clearly shown as grand-daughter.
Perhaps the elder Ailah was normally called by her middle name, May?
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Hi,
Ailah is an unusual name, this with a place of birth as Bonsal Derbyshire, so just wondered where
the name came from.
1901 Census Puddle Hill, Bonsal, Derbyshire
Piece 3241, Folio 11, Page Number13
John Kinder 48
James Kinder 46
Joshua Kinder 35
Arlah Peach 20 PUT ACTUALLY AILAH ON THE CENSUS IMAGE.
Mary A Peach 9/12
Sarah L Peach 26
So possibly a family connection.
Spendlove
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Ailah & Sarah were sisters & it looks like Sarah had another daughter before Ailah in 1901.
There's a birth in 1899 for a Mary Ann Peach ( Ashbourne Reg. Dist. which covers Bonsall) but no death & I can't see her in 1911.
May be she had her adopted if it's the right one ?
I notice she was in Puddle Hill so I'm wondering if one of the Kinders is Ailah's father.
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Wow,just checked back and I'm overwhelmed everyone by your replies. Many Thanks to all of you.
Ailah May born in 1901 married George Baker in 1922 and they had a daughter also in 1922 also called Ailah May. So it was obviously a family name. Although the Ailah born in 1922 had a daughter in 1945 with John Smith and named her Carol so she didn't carry on the name. Carol was my mother.
I have managed to find information on some of the Baker family,(children from Ailah and George) there is a sister who would be 77 now and I wrote last week to an address I found on the internet but as yet have no reply. My grandmother died aged 25 when my mum was 2 and I have never met any of that side of the family. So here's hoping
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Ailah is an unusual name, this with a place of birth as Bonsal Derbyshire, so just wondered where
the name came from.
1901 Census Puddle Hill, Bonsal, Derbyshire
Piece 3241, Folio 11, Page Number13
John Kinder 48
James Kinder 46
Joshua Kinder 35
Arlah Peach 20 PUT ACTUALLY AILAH ON THE CENSUS IMAGE.
Mary A Peach 9/12
Sarah L Peach 26
So possibly a family connection.
It looks as is she marries as Mahala Peach & May A Kinder
Mahala Peach to James Kinder Jun 1902 Ashbourne
then she remarries as
May A Kinder to Samuel Bond Dec 1910 Ashbourne
Index only
Marriage 25 May 1902 St James' Church, Bonsall, Derbyshire, England
Mahala Peach 22 (1880) Father Isaac Peach
James Kinder 40 (1862) father Job Kinder
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Ailah Housely married F Wakeling Jun 1936 Nottingham
1939 registers
Nottingham
Frank Wakeling 1901 (death 1981 Nottingham born 23 Feb 1901)
Allan (could be a misspelling of Ailah) born 1909
4 persons officially closed
Ailah Wakeling born 5 Dec 1909 died age 91
Date of Registration: Oct 2001 Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
Register Number: C37B District and Subdistrict: 6852 Entry Number: 247
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Ailah May born in 1901 married George Baker in 1922
An extra 'I' added to spelling of Ailah's name but this looks to be her death entry
Ailiah M Baker died age 48 (1901)
Dec 1949 Chesterfield Derbyshire Volume: 3a Page: 97
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Yes this is her. I have visited her grave in Chesterfield. She is buried with two of her children. Melinda and George.
Ailah May born in 1901 married George Baker in 1922
An extra 'I' added to spelling of Ailah's name but this looks to be her death entry
Ailiah M Baker died age 48 (1901)
Dec 1949 Chesterfield Derbyshire Volume: 3a Page: 97