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I have come across an ancestor Patrick Hall who was a School Master in Derbyshire - He married in about 1806 and had two children with his wife Sarah. In 1817 Sarah gave birth to a daughter and both died. I have come across a Patrick Hall of Horsley School Master being convicted and transported to Australia in 1829 for 7 years. There is also a newspaper article about his crime. My question is how do I now go about confirming and getting more information on this. Many thanks :)
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This any good?
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/hall/patrick/99514
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A link to his convict records in VDL are on this page ...
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/all/search/results?qu=patrick&qu=hall&qu=1829
(1st result listed)
Are you trying to find out if he is yours? Or are you trying to find out what happened to him afterwards?
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Oh wow thanks, it must be him as his occupation was a School Master. Yes was looking to find out if my ancestor and also what happened to him once he was in Tasmania. Your links are great though, if not sad reading.
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Ticket Of Leave noted in Launceston Gazette 1836
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/84752184
Perhaps earning wages by 1837
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4168039
Sue
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Thanks Sue. The website is down until Thursday!!lol So I will have to be patient. :-\
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Oh, I should have remembered that when I linked the little items.
We had long notice the close down was scheduled ::)
From memory, the second item was a court case in 1837 where there was a theft of five pounds or such, which belonged to Patrick HALL.
Sue
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The conduct report mentions a previous conviction and also a brother David. i can't quite make out the rest of that final sentence:
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The previous conviction was at Derby sessions, 20 October 1818, obtaining money by false pretences. There's a record of him on the hulk "Justitia" which is noted that he was pardoned on 28 October 1823.
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There is a marriage of a Patrick Hall Widower on 25th December 1804 in Duffield Derbyshire to a Sarah Hunt
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Suzy100,
He may had re married as with him being sentenced to 7 years he could had re married or his wife doing the same [ if she had lived that is ]
The first link is for Tasmanian Convicts you may find a death certificate on there for him.
http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/global/aboutlinc/information/taho
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=PATRICK&qu=HALL
Cheers
Yonks
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Shaun where did you find the previous conviction and the info on him being on the hulk Justitia? I can't seem to find it anywhere!!
Also I cannot find a death of him in Tasmania at all any ideas anyone!!? :-[
Thanks though for everyone's help.
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Hope you find all the info. Fascinating stuff!
I have come across an ancestor Patrick Hall who was a School Master in Derbyshire - He married in about 1806 and had two children with his wife Sarah. In 1817 Sarah gave birth to a daughter and both died. I have come across a Patrick Hall of Horsley School Master being convicted and transported to Australia in 1829 for 7 years. There is also a newspaper article about his crime. My question is how do I now go about confirming and getting more information on this. Many thanks :)
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The conduct report mentions a previous conviction and also a brother David. i can't quite make out the rest of that final sentence:
I think :-\ in part.....
1 brother David Hall with Moffat Bilprice ...(place name) near Derby.
Sue
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1 brother David Hall with Moffat Bilprice ...(place name) near Derby.
Belper.....Heage near Derby
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Belper.....Heage near Derby
... at Belper N.P. (= Native Place) Heage
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Shaun where did you find the previous conviction and the info on him being on the hulk Justitia? I can't seem to find it anywhere!!
Have you read his convict records? The link has been given twice:
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=PATRICK&qu=HALL
The hulk registers are available on Ancestry.
Debra :)
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Hi Debra yes I have read that link, but didn't find the earlier conviction link.
I have now found it on ancestry too. Also found the brother David.
Patrick was married earlier to an Anne (not sure of surname or date of death yet) and they had a son Patrick who I think only lived a few days, he then went on to marry Sarah Hunt and they had two children, she then died giving birth to their 3rd child, all that loss may have tipped him over the edge!! Very sad. Still collating all the info though.
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Are you able to post the newspaper article here as I'd like to read it.
Nosey Parker ;D
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Yes Nosey Parker!lol ;D
I think I have done it!!
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;D ;D ;D
So instead of getting a trip to America he got one to Australia....... :o
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Indeed 'Beeonthebay', and I thought you were going to come back and say we were related!!lol
Now just need to find where and how he died!!
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Not me, I'm a Scouser lol. I just found another little snippet to add to your collection.
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Great thanks Beeonthebay.
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If you go to the site posted by Groom (which also has a Facebook page) or the one I've posted below you can "claim" a convict and although there's nothing for Patrick Hall as yet you never know who's watching, because this way if he has any descendants and they see this then you have communication.
When I was doing some research for a project on female convicts I was able to speak to a few descendants of various convicts, though of course not all of them and it was very interesting as we were able to help each other. Them with what happened to the person later and me with who they were and where they came from.
How I envy you having a convict ancestor. ;D
http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/claimaconvict/search.php
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The 1818 conviction was for obtaining money under false pretences from Benjamin Rickards (Derby Mercury, 29 October 1818, page 3 col 2)