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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: bsundeen on Saturday 20 February 16 01:32 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information about the family of Niels Pedersen, who was born 24 July 1867 in Svaerdborg, Praesto, Denmark. Would like to know who his parents are and if he had any siblings. Any help about this individual and family would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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Hi
Here is his birth record - nr 15:
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/sogn959/churchbook/source23307/opslag4726668
I cannot read his parents' names unfortunately. The father could be Lars Peder Olsen from Ørslev and the mother Maren Pedersen.
Ian
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I am seeing unmarried woman Maria Pedersen as his mother. Ugift fruen__ I can't remember the word properly, but I've seen it before.
I looked at the copy of the register on FamilySearch and the writing is a bit different. Clearer here. Jamcat, I think you are correct in saying the child's father is Lars Peder Olsen.
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The mother came from Øvervindinge By but I cannot find her.
Ian
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Family members think his mother may be Marie Pedersen, a daughter of Peder Hansen and Frederikke Capion but I'm not sure. They also think Niels Moved to Sweden when young and then to the United States about 1887. There shOuld be a record of this shouldn't there?
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Hi
Where did he live in USA?
Do you have any censuses?
Ian
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This here is most likely Marie Pedersen and family in the 1855 census in Præstø:
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid14178190
Ian
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They moved from Kastrup to Höör Parish in Skåne, Sweden in 1871
1877 Examination Book
Hansson, Peder - b. 1815 Kastrup
Capion, Fredrika Elisabeth - b. 1814 Kastrup
Ana - b. 1841 Kastrup
Hans - b. 1846 Kastrup
Inger Dorothea - b, 1851 Kastrup
Nils - b. 1854 Kastrup
Kristian - b. 1855 Kastrup
Ian
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They then moved form Höör Parish to Loshult Parish in Skåne 13 Sept 1876
1881 Examination Book
Hansson, Peder - b. 1815 Kastrup
Capion, Fredrika Elisabeth - b. 1814 Kastrup
Ana - b. 1841 Kastrup
Hans - b. 1846 Kastrup
Nils - b. 1854 Kastrup
Kristian - b. 1855 Kastrup
Ian
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1887 Examination Book
Hansson, Peder - b. 1815 Kastrup - To USA 6 Apr 1886
Capion, Fredrika - b. 1814 Kastrup - To USA 6 Apr 1886
Ana - b. 1841 Kastrup - Died 6 Nov 1882
Hans - b. 1846 Kastrup - To USA 3 Sept 1882
Nils - b. 1854 Kastrup - To USA 3 Sept 1882
Kristian - b. 1855 Kastrup
Niels Pedersen (Foster Son)- b. 24 July 1867 Sværdborg - To USA 16 Apr 1887
Ian
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Niels Pedersen arrived in Loshult on 11 Apr 1887.
Ian
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There are a number of records and trees for Peder Hansen in North Dakota with the same date of birth on Ancestry. Also his marriage to Fredrikke in Denmark.
Ian
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Here is their marriage in Denmark:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FV12-F4J
Ian
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These are all the censuses for this family, though I cannot find Marie and Niels unfortunately.
Fredrikke Capion original census 1834 in Kastrup:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=88207
Peder Hansen and Fredrikke Capion original census 1840 in Kastrup:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=127253
Peder Hansen and Fredrikke Capion original census 1845 in Kastrup:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=172855
Peder Hansen and Fredrikke Capion original census 1855 in Kastrup:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=17426508
Peder Hansen and Fredrikke Capion original census 1860 in Sværdborg:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=233189
Peder Hansen and Fredrikke Capion original census 1870 in Sværdborg:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=11850230
If you get any errors while loading the page just reload it.
Ian
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Just noticed that Niels Pedersen is with the family in 1870 in line nr 6. Maria is not there. (I don't know how I missed it first time round)
1870 Census
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=11850230
This is Peder Hansen and family leaving the parish in 1871. Nr 7
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=26348202
A better image of Niels birth record:
Father is recorded as Lars Peder Pedersen this time. Not Olsen.
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=26347888
Ian
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Marie Pedersen's birth record:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=38825631
Ian
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Thank you so much for your help! This question is related to a family mystery that family members have tried to solve for years. Recently I thought I'd give it a try again. My great-great grandmother was said to have been born as Christina Pederson on 24 Jan 1873/1874 in Denmark. Supposedly her parents died when she was young and in 1885 she traveled to North Dakota, USA to live with relatives. These relatives were Iver and Christine (daughter of Peder and Frederikke Hansen) Madsen. Later she went to live with another uncle, Nels P. Hanson (originally Nils Pedesen - son of Peder and Frederikke Hansen). Christina was married in 1894 to Mike Mootz and died in North Dakota in 1971. As she called this people her aunts and uncles, I believe she was somehow a granddaughter of Peder and Frederikke Hansen. I just cannot figure out how. She did have contact with her relative Niels Pederson (born 1867 to Marie) and I thought perhaps it was her brother but it doesn't appear as if he had any siblings. I would love to finally know how my grandmother fits into this puzzle and who her parents were. I recently took an Ancestry DNA test and I share DNA with descendants of Peder and Frederikke Hansen through the Madsen family - I just cannot figure out how!
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Hi
I have now located Peder and Fredrikke's passenger list from Copenhagen to New York in 1886 on the Geiser. On line 87. And low and behold I believe your Christina is with them. She is 11 years old which makes her born 1875 or so. A daughter Mathilda is also there too.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h4j/
If you wonder what the 4-5 means in the column next to Christine (not her death anyway) read this link: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h4k/
Ian
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Thank you so much for finding this and clearing that up. I believe I may have come across this record before but was led to believe that the child had died on the voyage. This does indeed look like it could be my great-great-grandmother. If so, I believe she was traveling with her grandparents. I still have to find out if that is the case. I have yet to find a connection. Thanks again!
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I have found that Inger Dorothea moved to Copenhagen in 1874 from Sweden.
I don't think Mathilde is their daughter.
The child Peter Mikkelsen with them could Mathilde"s son.
Ian
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Hi again
Your post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=751991.0 got me going again.
Not proving easy though. I did find Hans Pedersen's (Hanson) passport application form online in North Dakota. He stated in 1924 that he was going to visit a brother in Sweden: Kristian. Also a brother and sisters in Denmark. I think the brother is Peder and the sisters must be Marie and Inger.
Ian
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I have managed to find Inger Dorothea Petersen as the mother to Christine.
Here is Christine Fredrikke Elisabeth Petersen's birth record: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=26720102
She was born 21 Jan 1873 in Copenhagen (København Vor Frue Sogn (Parish)) and christened 9 March 1873.
Ian
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WOW! Thanks so much for all your hard detective work Ian. Your hunch in locating the link through Inger Dorothea was correct. Now to find what happened to Inger... Can anyone provide a good translation of this document? If what I'm seeing is correct, I don't see the name of a father listed? All her life Chrestina had been celebrating her birthday just a few days off, and we never knew her to use the names of Frederikke or Elisabeth. I have found an old picture that says on the back, "Chrestina's stepfather," so if that is correct than Inger Dorothea married at some time. Also, we were always told she came to the United States in 1886 after the death of her parents. Will be interesting to know more of the story. Attached is a photograph of Chrestina, who lived to be 98 years old. She was a tiny little woman, but a very hard worker, and everyone loved her.
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You're welcome.
She was recorded as unmarried and her father's name (Inger's father that is) listed under hers as a "gardman" (I think).... a farmer.
I believe Inger was alive in 1924 when Hans visited Denmark.
Ian
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The interesting thing is, I think, is that she was recorded as leaving Sweden in 1874. Christine was born in 1873 which I believe means that the father must be Swedish. I might be wrong but it does surely look like it.
Ian
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Does it look like Inger was in Sweden when she became pregnant, and then went to Copenhagen to have the baby, and then back to Sweden for a short time before going back to Copenhagen?
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All I can say is that Inger left for Copenhagen on 24 Nov 1874 - alone, according to the Church Books at least. There is no record of Christine in Sweden. So Christine must have been left with someone in Denmark. The minister only wrote one record of her leaving so she must have left and returned without the minister knowing of it.
Ian
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The address given on Christine's birth record is: Larsbjørnsstræde 15,2.
Here is the address from the 1880 Census: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i1i/
I went through the book and they weren't there unfortunately.
Ian
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Here are all Inger's siblings birth records:
Peder Pedersen 1835: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391013
Marie 1838: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=38825631
Anne 1841: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391446
Christiane 1843: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391449
Hans Pedersen 1846: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391444
Kirstine 1848: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391522
Inger Dorthea 1851: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391526
Nils 1854: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391491
Kristian 1855: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391494
Ian
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I have tried to find Inger but to no avail. While in the process of doing so I found these records - Peder Pedersen born 1835 and Christiane Pedersen born 1843:
Peder Pedersen and Maren Sofie Pedersen - Marriage 1862: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25391593
Peder Pedersen Census 1880: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=12006955
Peder Pedersen Census 1901: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=2145326
Peder Pedersen Census 1906: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=320083
Peder Pedersen Census 1911: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=12467172
Peder Pedersen Death 1912: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=25392523
Christiane Pedersen 1880: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=12028463
Christiane Pedersen 1890: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=12232840
Christiane Pedersen 1906: http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=390006
Ian