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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: brigidmac on Saturday 20 February 16 01:06 GMT (UK)
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Edward Hallis was a blacksmith in GB (his father samuel "adopted" my nana in 1900)
Edward Married Lillian Alice Hird in Liverpool in 1897
Edward died in SA in 1942
I see from ship records that he travelled to and from africa
He seems to have come from SA to GB in the to visit his sister in Greenfield street Birkenhead
in 1932 1935 and 1939
first evidence i found of him going to SA was 1912
his wife was with her father Thomas Hird in 1901 and I can't find Edward
there is a Mrs L Hallis housekeeper aged 26 travelling from Liverpool to Cape in 1902
could this be to join her husband there
Is there any evidence of Edward having children in SA ..is he on any censuses
and did he have any children
with Lillian or anyone else
in 1939 aged 67 he travelled from Mozambique
to GB (Ashdale road)
Will be grateful for any pointers
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Details I have so far on Edward Hallis
1872 Birth confirmed to Cheshirebmd (Hallis).
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1881 Census age 9 at 118 Oliver Road, Birkenhead. with parents, (transcribed as E R Wallace)
1891 Census age 19 single at 138 Borough Road, B'head with parents, (Hallis) blacksmith.
1897 Marriage Cert obtained age 25 bachelor at 38 Bright St, Birkenhead - Whitesmith. Wit:- John Brown, Edith Hird & Blanche Thornely Roberts.
1912 21st June - Arrival on Ship 'Dover Castle' to London from Delagoa Bay, Mozambique age 40 - Railway Official. Country of last permanent residence - Union of South Africa.
1927 26 May - Arrival on Ship 'Llanstephan Castle' to London from Durban, South Africa age 55 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Railway Official.
1932 18th April - Arrival on Ship 'Carnarvon Castle' to Southampton from Durban, South Africa age 60 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Railway Pensioner.
1935 29th April - Arrival on Ship 'Llandaff Castle' to Southampton from Mombasa, Kenya age 63 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Retired.
1936 18th May - Arrival on Ship 'Winchester Castle' to Southampton from Durban, South Africa age 64 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead.
1939 5th July - Arrival on Ship 'Pretoria Castle' to Southampton from Beira, Mozambique age 67 at 19 Ashdale Road, Liverpool - Railway Official.
sister Martha Harriet Evans lived at 3 Greenfield st ; but I don't know who lived at 19 ashdale Road
I.ve not seen these ship documents information given to me
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Apparently there is evidence that his Brother George Samuel Fellman also went to SA
it would be after 1901 when he was with wife Mary E Fellman nee Long and daughter
Rosie A aged 2
I haven't found them on any boats yet
There is a link to Familysearch page on
English forum but I cant open it because my computer browser is not compatible with that site
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found
Mrs L Hallis 1902 taking ship from Liverpool to cape south africa Housekeeper aged 26
now just got to find out if she + Edward had any children
and her death date
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Don't know if you have this Edward's Death Notice
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 3473/42
PART 1
DESCRIPTION HALLIS, EDWARD RICHARD.
STARTING 19420000
ENDING 19420000
REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE LILIAN HALLIS (BORN HIRD).
Will see if I can find estate file.............
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Hi
I have Death Notice and his will, there are 3 children. PM me your email and I'll send you the copies.
Lilian died in 1938
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 3005/38
PART 1
DESCRIPTION HALLIS, LILLIAN. BORN HIRD.
STARTING 19380000
ENDING 19380000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE EDWARD HALLIS.
She died on the 27th August 1938 at the Entabeni Nursing Home in Durban
copy and post the link on here and we can try and open it..
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I have found a Mary "Hallis" nee Long with previous deceased spouse George Samuel "Hallis", could they be your Fellmans?
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yes they George s + mary a nee long
They had a daughter Rose = went over on 1902 boatsare on a cheshire forum ;under long i'll have to learn to copy + add the link
george retired to birkenhea In 1930's and die died in Birkenhead
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Edward hallis Death notice from Pretoria 1st aug1940 amended to 1942
Wife predeceased him Aug 1938
Children
Leslie HALLIS b.4/9/1906
Frank Edward HALLIS b 30/10/1912
Joan Hilliard Hallis 1918
PS in an earlier post I accidentally put George Fellman the birth father when I meant George Hallis the adoptive brother ...sorry .just Hallis family in south Africa
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Thanks to a link to.south africa records ive been able to find some more Hallis records without looking at the documemts themselves
Also some records now available on Ancestry but difficult to search.
Leslie HALLIS divorced first wife in 1937.Johana susan Swart
Died in 1972 survived by spouse maartje marie Hattinger
1902 there was a court case between edward.Richard HALLIS & lillian HALLIS ....HIRD
It was withdrawn
A tree on ancestry has edwards son Frank edward HALLIS married to Susette Faith van De Witt both deceased and with a son.thomas richard b 1945 also deceased but married with a child .
There seem to be court cases in 1975 + 1981 involving HALLIS ART& GIFT SHOP sublease to.mrs Benns
And S Swart
Im not sure what illiquid cases are but there are a few of them with unknown Hallis "s
And I wonder if a 1910 entrance MHG Leer TAB ...is a birth .
The person with tree hasnt been on the site for a year but ive left a message anyway.
Id love to pass on the plaque that was presented to Harriet Hallis by girls friendly society on occasion of her marriage in 1885 .
Ive managed to add it to her profile pic but it's wrong format for rootschat
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MHG stands for an estate when it is filed with the master of the supreme court in South Africa.
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The court case in 1902, the source code ZTPD was divorce proceedings against Richard brought by Lilian but later withdrawn.
The 1910 file appears to be a letter enquiring about an estate:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9L-7735-F?i=271&cc=2520237&cat=188051
The 1942 Estate File for Richard. If you move through the images, his Will is there as well.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9G-FNJ4?i=256&cc=2520237&cat=188051
These are all on Family Search, usually my first stop for South African research.
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Thanks silly dogs
I use ancestry so I can transfer records directly to my tree
These records are really good I.ll have to get into habit of looking on FS too
The first letter is sad..addressed to a mr A Hallis about deceased son .....not one of ours
I dont know why I thought the court case was against Lillian Hird she was suing her husband
she not only dropped the case but went on to have ,3 children with him
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You can also upload images to your Ancestry tree from FS if you download them to your computer first then upload them to your tree. I don't have a sub for Ancestry so it's really the only way I can attach documents to my tree on there. ;)
FS has a very large collection of South African records and more are added all the time.
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Thanks sillydogs i dont have a computer and am not good at downloading anything but may attempt on tablet .
Ive learnt to screenshot sometimes but official sites block.from doing that !
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I have managed screenshots from FS ;) ;)
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Here are the details of Edward Richard Hallis brother George Samuel and his wife Mary Long
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742054.msg5914024#msg5914024
I believe we have finally found descendants of the South African HALLIS family
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Update
I have communicated with descendants of
Birkenhead HALLIS
I wanted to pass on a certificate that was awarded to their sister but apparently it's really dodgy posting anything where they livi in south Africa
Thanks again everyone
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I've now got a photo of Edward's grandson Thomas HALLIS and have communicated with his son and now his daughters daughter is showing an interest and has built a tree.
I need to get access to newspapers again as there is something about an edward Hallis in the 1904 Birkenhead News
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Lillian died in 1938 and Edward in 1942. Here is a picture of their gravestone in Durban https://www.graves.eggsa.org/kwazulunatal/DURBAN_urban/stellawood/Cremat_Wall%20of%20Rem/H%20-%20Vanne%20__%20Surnames%20-%20H/hsurname/IMG_1168.JPG
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Here is the gravestone of Leslie and his wife https://www.graves.eggsa.org/gauteng/Pretoria_Urban/villieria/NGK_Gedenkmuur/20150815_112402_1_.jpg
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Not sure if you have seen this?
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 210/56
PART 1
DESCRIPTION HALLIS, MARY. BORN LONG.
STARTING 19550000
ENDING 19550000
REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE GEORGE SAMUEL HALLIS.
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Looks like Leslie married twice!
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE TPD
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 5/439
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 170/1937
PART 1
DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. LESLIE HALLIS VERSUS JOHAN SUSAN (BORN
SWART). Being a female I think Johan should be Joan. Johan is a man’s name.
STARTING 19370000
ENDING 19370000
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DEPOT TAB
SOURCE ZTPD
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 5/517
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 4315/1902
PART 1
DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. ADULTERY. EDWARD RICHARD HALLIS VERSUS LILLIAN (BORN
HIRD).
STARTING 19020000
ENDING 19020000
REMARKS WITHDRAWN.
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Looks like Frank Hallis bought land in Pretoria.
DEPOT SAB
SOURCE URU
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 2424
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 1408
PART 1
DESCRIPTION GRANT TO FE HALLIS OF CERTAIN PORTION 8 OF PLOT NO 97 (9), 25TH AVE,
VILLIERIA, PRETORIA.
STARTING 1947
ENDING 1947
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If you scroll about three quarters of the page you will see Frank married Gertrude Gilbert in 1939 in Pretoria https://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/settlerbrowsemarrs.php?name=GILBERT&first=
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It appears Gertrude Gilbert’s first husband died in 1938.
DEPOT NAB
SOURCE MSCE
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 27897/1938
PART 1
DESCRIPTION GILBERT, HERBERT EDWARD. (S/S GILBERT, GERTRUDE).
STARTING 1938
ENDING 1939
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Thanks for all these Pampoen.
The graves are lovely
Let me go thru the information
I knew some things
Leslie's divorce
Very interested that Mary long predeaceased George
How can I. Find that date ?
I have George as 47 & blind living in Birkenhead but still married
There was another George Samuel Hallis in the area so I don't know if the will I have sent for is the correct one
.Johan was Johana.
Lillian.sued Edward for divorce but stayed with him and had 3 children.after that court case
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Could anyone tell me if this record is wrong
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61358/records/73494?ssrc=pt&tid=108886536&pid=162220421920
It says its death record of leslies wife mary martje Harrington.1926 but I wonder if thats actually her birth year and she is the one on the grave stone nicknamed koko 🤔
Did Leslie have 2 or 3 wives and which one was the mother of which of his children ?.
David Samuel
Also information from a great aunt Lillian was that Joan Hilliard HALLIS had a son called Graham who went to live in England.does that mean she was married ?
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George Samuel Hallis died in 1935 https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/L138-YK2/maisie-fellman-roberts-1899-1982
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Thanks Pampoen will reply to message when I receive Georges probate I teill have suspicion that this death was the other Birkenhead george HALLIS + fanily search information may come from my mothers original research she knew his sister martha Harriett + her daughter lucy known as great aunt Haritit +aunty luvy cookson but doesnt remember any south african relatives