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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Nikita1985 on Friday 19 February 16 12:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
Just wondered if anyone knew why I can locate a baptism record but not any other record?
For example; I have come across a baptism for a Sapphire Holland (b.1896) and a Seped Holland (b. 1909) both in Derbyshire, however, there is no other record relating to these individuals IE; No Birth/Death/Marriage.... nothing!!
Very puzzled... Can any shed any light?
Thanks
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The 1896 baptism entry for Sapphire Holland doesn't have a father's name, just that of the mother Mary Ann Holland.
Have you tried looking for a marriage for a Mary Ann Holland - perhaps she married and Sapphire took her step-father's name?
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Is it possible that they were baptised in Derbyshire, but born outside of the county? Perhaps is it possible that they were not born in England/Wales at all? Perhaps they were not babies when they were baptised? Perhaps their births were registered with a different surname?
Have you looked for their births http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBFP-TJR
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBXJ-17R
Cheers, JM
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I wonder if Sapphire might be the Sophia on freebmd Jan Feb March quarter 1896 Derby 7b 728.
Mike
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I wonder if Sapphire might be the Sophia on freebmd Jan Feb March quarter 1896 Derby 7b 728.
Mike
My thoughts too - was just going to post ;)
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I thought the same, say both names and they are very similar...
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Thank you everyone, I'll look into that... it is actually possible that they took a different surname as Mary Ann (in my tree) did not marry until AFTER having all her children, so there was no father on any of the birth's.... they we're all given her maiden name. So I shall have a search under the surname 'Allwood' for these individuals. And also... Sophia rather than just Sapphire!
Sometime you just need a fresh pair of eyes to look at it!
Thanks everyone!
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Seped shows parents as Henry and Mary Ann.
There is a Wilfred, March quarter 1909 and an Alfred in June quarter 1909 - same endings ???
Your last post has confused me re Mary Ann. Do you have your lady with any children in 1901 and 1911?
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From the "mis-spelling" I'm thinking that the parents didn't pronounce the name as I would, e.g.
"So-fee-a", but pronounced their baby's name as "So-fire-a", which is how my grandmother pronounced her name. Her father, born 1853, was of German origin and I'm presuming that's how it was said over there at the time.
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Seped shows parents as Henry and Mary Ann.
There is a Wilfred, March quarter 1909 and an Alfred in June quarter 1909 - same endings ???
Your last post has confused me re Mary Ann. Do you have your lady with any children in 1901 and 1911?
Are the family listed as Allwood in 1901 with son Frederick b 1899 Derby?? :-\
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From the "mis-spelling" I'm thinking that the parents didn't pronounce the name as I would, e.g.
"So-fee-a", but pronounced their baby's name as "So-fire-a", which is how my grandmother pronounced her name. Her father, born 1853, was of German origin and I'm presuming that's how it was said over there at the time.
German pronunciation is very regular and predictable. Sophia would be pronounced as you do - "So-fee-a". To get "So-fire-a" (but without an "r" sound) it would have to be spelt something like Sopheia.
... a Seped Holland (b. 1909) both in Derbyshire...
There is ... an Alfred in June quarter 1909 - same endings ???
I've only been able to access a transcript of the baptism register, but I do wonder if it could be a mistranscription of Alfred? An "l" (lower case L) that wasn't very high could be mistaken for an "e", and an "fr" with a long "f" going below the line as well as above could easily be read as "p". The initial letter is a bit more of a problem, but given the variety of forms of an upper-case "A", and the possibility of some pen strokes being too faint, I don't think Alfred is too much of a stretch of the imagination.
Arthur
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May Ann had four children registered with the surname Holland from 1899 - 1909. Frederick, Mary Jane, William Henry and Alfred.
Alfred was baptised 5th May 1909 at the same church that is listed for Seped. So my first thought was it has been transcribed wrong as i went to the Record Office to look at the baptism and there wasn't one on microfilm for Seped but there was for Alfred, and they are both on 5th May 1909.
Henry 'Holland' is the father of these four, however I believe his real name was 'Allwood' - the four kids above took Mary Ann's maiden name as she didn't marry Henry until 1918 - well after the children were born.
I have only very recently come across Sapphire Holland's baptism, I wanted to investigate if she indeed belongs to my family, as her Mother has the same name. I know it might not be, but I wanted to prove that she either is or isn't.
Hope this makes more sense :-?
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Seped shows parents as Henry and Mary Ann.
There is a Wilfred, March quarter 1909 and an Alfred in June quarter 1909 - same endings ???
Your last post has confused me re Mary Ann. Do you have your lady with any children in 1901 and 1911?
Are the family listed as Allwood in 1901 with son Frederick b 1899 Derby?? :-\
They do indeed record themselves as 'Allwood' on the 1901 census - I know this as Mary Jane was born in 1902 at the same address listed on the 1901 census.... they then revert to calling themselves Mr & Mrs Holland on the 1911 census....
Would be so much easier if they kept the same name! :)
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Re Sophia/Sapphire
My gt grandmother was Sophia - my mother told me she was So- fiya not So- feeya which I think is more modern.
My mum's friend was always referred to as 'Aunty Fi' - (as 'fie') . Her name too was Sophia.