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Title: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: snazzyrose on Friday 12 February 16 16:27 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I need some assistance in deciphering some details on my great great grandfather's birth certificate Robert McGhee.  I am trying to locate the marriage certificate for his parents.  Those details as I read them on this document are as follows:

James McGhee - Father - Coal Miner
Isabella McGhee - Mother - (maiden name Grimson??)
Married 12th November 1854? (this date seems very early considering the birth certificate is dated 1875) in Dalserf, Cambusnethan.

I have exhausted many avenues searching with broader spans and omission of names trying to find James and Isabella's marriage certificate.  Any help would be appreciated. 
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: lizdb on Friday 12 February 16 16:32 GMT (UK)
I read the marriage as 1857

Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: JJen on Friday 12 February 16 16:33 GMT (UK)
I read the marriage as 1857

Me also  :)

JJ
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: Millmoor on Friday 12 February 16 16:34 GMT (UK)
I agree the year of marriage of James and Isabella is 1857 not 1854 - if so it should be locatable on SP.

William
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Friday 12 February 16 16:36 GMT (UK)
I agree with 1857.  Which bits can't you decipher?
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: snazzyrose on Friday 12 February 16 17:34 GMT (UK)
I also thought perhaps it was 1857 or 1859 but with no luck.  I can't decipher that date but looked under the alternatives mentioned and a wide span (both parish and other records on SP). 
I also can't decipher her maiden name - Grimson??
I found no options looking under Cambusnethan/Shotts/Dalserf or generally Lanark.  I expanded the search to a wider time span and all districts and found only two options, one is dated an Isabella McDonald in 1874 and to an Isabella Winning in 1873. 
I also tried under a few variants of McGhee.
Perhaps I should try the census route?  I have the 1901 census record so far.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Friday 12 February 16 17:38 GMT (UK)
Grimson looks pretty clear to me.

Mike
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: lizdb on Friday 12 February 16 17:39 GMT (UK)
Certainly looks like Grimson

Are there any baptisms of older siblings that might shed more light on the marriage?

And yes, I'd definitely be going back through the censuses.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: snazzyrose on Friday 12 February 16 17:42 GMT (UK)
Certainly looks like Grimson

Are there any baptisms of older siblings that might shed more light on the marriage?

And yes, I'd definitely be going back through the censuses.

Thank you, looking for other siblings birth certs is a great idea.  Their marriage being in the 1850s just seems a bit odd. 
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: GR2 on Friday 12 February 16 17:54 GMT (UK)
Family search shows:

Margaret Duncan, b. 3-8-1863, Carnwath
David, b. 5-6-1867, Cambusnethan
James, b. 26-8-1869, Carnwath
Isabella, b. 29-8-1872, Cambusnethan
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: snazzyrose on Friday 12 February 16 18:01 GMT (UK)
Family search shows:

Margaret Duncan, b. 3-8-1863, Carnwath
David, b. 5-6-1867, Cambusnethan
James, b. 26-8-1869, Carnwath
Isabella, b. 29-8-1872, Cambusnethan

Are these siblings of Robert?
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Friday 12 February 16 18:07 GMT (UK)
  Their marriage being in the 1850s just seems a bit odd.

Not really. This birth is only 17 years after the marriage. If they married in their early 20's, they would only be late 30s at the time of the birth.

Mike
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: lizdb on Friday 12 February 16 18:10 GMT (UK)
The next entry up has a marriage of 1856.

Agree with Mike, many families have 20+  years between eldest and youngest child.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: GR2 on Friday 12 February 16 18:28 GMT (UK)
Yes, they are siblings. There may be others.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: JJen on Friday 12 February 16 18:38 GMT (UK)
Another sibling -

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ9P-4S4

Mother's surname given as Grimston

JJ
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: JJen on Friday 12 February 16 18:42 GMT (UK)
Possibly James and Isabella's first child -

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ7L-MY3

The name Robert was previously used -

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQP8-QW5

JJ
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: snazzyrose on Friday 12 February 16 18:48 GMT (UK)
Thank you GR AND JJen.  I'm still searching using your information.  GR, I have found the birth record for the sibling Isabella.  It clearly is 1857, different month (October) and different district (Hamilton).  I'm pretty sure these are Robert's parents and this is his older sister.  I'm not sure why it would have those different details?  I've run out of credit to see the variations on the other siblings birth records to compare.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: snazzyrose on Friday 12 February 16 18:51 GMT (UK)
Possibly James and Isabella's first child -

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ7L-MY3

The name Robert was previously used -

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQP8-QW5

JJ

Thank you JJ!!  And it helps her forename was simply Bell here too.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: jonn on Friday 12 February 16 19:23 GMT (UK)
Hello KatrinaB,

I think your Robert Mcghee, born 1875. in Cambusnethan, Lanark, died as a baby.

Here is the family 1881. Census.

James McGhie, Head, Coalminer, M. age 43 years, M. born Tollcross, Lanark,
Isabella, McGhie, Wife, M. age 40 years, F. born Ardrie, Lanark,
Sarah McGhie, Daur, U. age 16 years F. born Wishaw, Lanark,
David McGhie, Son, age 13 years, M. born Wishaw, Lanark,
James McGhie, Son, age 11 years, M. born Haywood, Lanark,
Isabella McGhie, Daur, Age 8 years, F. born Wishaw, Lanark,
Jane McGhie, Daur, age 4 years, F. born Dalserf, Lanark,
Margaret McGhie, Daur, age 1 Year, born Dalserf, Lanark.

There is a death for a Robert McGhee, age 0 years 1875. Cambusnethan, Lanark.

Regards,
Jonn.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: snazzyrose on Friday 12 February 16 22:41 GMT (UK)
Hello KatrinaB,

I think your Robert Mcghee, born 1875. in Cambusnethan, Lanark, died as a baby.

Here is the family 1881. Census.

James McGhie, Head, Coalminer, M. age 43 years, M. born Tollcross, Lanark,
Isabella, McGhie, Wife, M. age 40 years, F. born Ardrie, Lanark,
Sarah McGhie, Daur, U. age 16 years F. born Wishaw, Lanark,
David McGhie, Son, age 13 years, M. born Wishaw, Lanark,
James McGhie, Son, age 11 years, M. born Haywood, Lanark,
Isabella McGhie, Daur, Age 8 years, F. born Wishaw, Lanark,
Jane McGhie, Daur, age 4 years, F. born Dalserf, Lanark,
Margaret McGhie, Daur, age 1 Year, born Dalserf, Lanark.

There is a death for a Robert McGhee, age 0 years 1875. Cambusnethan, Lanark.

Regards,
Jonn.

Thank you Jonn.  Oh dear, I hope I haven't got two documents mismatched.  If anyone has a spare moment to verify, this is the 1901 census which i'm 100% sure is my Robert McGhee and then I traced the birth record (already attached to this thread so can't re-attach) to be the same Robert, which led me to this line of inquiry on this post.
Title: Re: Deciphering names/details of parents on birth cert
Post by: jonn on Saturday 13 February 16 12:43 GMT (UK)

Hello KatrinaB.

I have sent you a private message on this site.

Regards,
Jonn.