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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Genealogygirl148 on Thursday 11 February 16 05:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello - I have a reference in an old family letter [about 1918] to an old cemetery where a family member was buried that year. Was there a cemetery in or near Donaghmore that was considered old at that time?
The letter writer was my great aunt Julia Brown who was from Kilnaslee, Pomeroy. It was her aunt Sarah [Sally] Brown nee Smith/Smyth that had died. Sally had married David Brown of Kilmore. Whatever cemetery it was, also buried there were several Brown families including the Charlie Browns and the Bill Browns of Blackhill and also a Shaw family that is related to the deceased woman.
These people would likely have been Presbyterian or perhaps Church of Ireland.
I've looked at a variety of maps including this one which shows churches by religion: http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/
but have had no joy yet.
Thanks in advance. Any help is appreciated.
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Have you tried this map?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churchmap?LAT=54.530651,LON=-6.810665,D=5
Have you tried the local historical society?
http://www.donaghmorelivinghistory.com/dhs.htm
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Brown and Shaw there...
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/photos/tombstones/tyrone-donaghmore/index.html
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Aghadowey,
Thanks for the response. I looked at those websites previously, but didn't find anything helpful. But I haven't contacted the people at the Donaghmore Living History website with my specific question - they may be able to help. That's a good suggestion.
Hallmark,
Thanks for that link. I hadn't seen it before. It does have Shaws, but I don't know the first names of those my people connect to or how this Sarah/Sally Smith Brown is related to them. I don't see her in the list anywhere, nor the Browns I'm looking for [ Charlie Brown's family and Bill Brown's family].
But I enjoyed looking at the photos anyway. ;)
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The Browns of Kilnaslee would have been Presbyterian and belonged to Castlecaulfield Presbyterian. The old graveyard they refer to might be the one at Carland Presbyterian Church, it being a much older church than Castlecaulfield.
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Yes, they were Presbyterian and my grandparents [one of them a Brown] did marry there. Carland being the "old cemetery" might be the one referenced. Thanks very much. Now, just to find burial records on-line! ;)
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Had a quick look at the headstones in Carland graveyard as I was passing today but it doesn't look likely. Donaghmore Church of Ireland graveyard is more likely as there are plenty of smiths and Browns there.
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Presbyterian churches generally don't keep burial records so unless there's a headstone it may be difficult to determine if family are buried in Presbyterian ground. However, by 1918 there's a good chance a death notice will have been put in the local paper (depending on timing of death, funeral and printing of paper) so worth checking that.
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Aghadowey, those are good points. That would explain why I could only find mention of birth and marriage records for Carland Presbyterian. I do have a cousin that will be visiting Tyrone in June and I might be able to persuade him to check the graveyard there. I'll check on-line for an obit and hope the burial place is mentioned.
Thanks.
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Although there probably aren't church records of burials as in a formal burial register such as Church of Ireland keeps there are a few other things to ask the church about.
1) graveyard map? this will perhaps show that there is a family plot even if no headstone erected
2) sexton's notebook? notes kept by grave digger often show date of burial and name of deceased
Ministers are usually from outside the area, may not have been there long, etc. so the best person to speak to might be the person in charge of the graveyard (convenor of graveyard committee if they have one) or Clerk of Session
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Thanks again, Agahdowey. It will be some time before I can get anyone to check at the church or graveyard, but I'll make a note of this.
Regards,
Sheila
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http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/photos/tombstones/tyrone-carland-presby/target1.html gets you the Sexton!
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This link might help you:
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/photos/tombstones/tyrone-donaghmore/index.html
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Thanks for posting this link, patchwitch. I'll explore all the photos and the text file. Good luck with your search for family.
Sheila
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We have hit a dead end going backwards. The records either never existed or don't exist anymore. So now we need to look sideways to distant cousins just in case anyone has family stories, documents or even a family bible! My husband (his family) is very disheartened but I have been researching for a lot longer and know how things go. I always knew the Irish research would be difficult.
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A few people take some photos while at Cemeteries and put them online to help others....
e.g. http://search.freefind.com/find.html?oq=Brown&id=13812782&pageid=r&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&scs=1&s=tyronestones&query=Brown&Find=Search&mode=ALL&search=all
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Thanks, Hallmark. I wasn't aware of that site and will explore the Browns you found.
Sheila
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Did you ever search for a newspaper notice of the aunt's death to see if any funeral arrangements were mentioned?
Sarah Brown died 4 Mar.1918 Kilmore-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05198/4436088.pdf
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Thank you for the link Hallmark - I think I will be ordering some photocopy certificates.
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Thank you for the link Hallmark - I think I will be ordering some photocopy certificates.
Photocopy certificates?
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The people I am interested in are not always recorded in the church records but the later events are in the civil records and you can get photocopies of certificates (and the more expensive official copies) as shown on this link:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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The people I am interested in are not always recorded in the church records but the later events are in the civil records and you can get photocopies of certificates (and the more expensive official copies) as shown on this link:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
Yes you can get the Cert on Parchment, Government Stamp on it etc which is used for Legal purposes
OR
A Photocopy of the Cert for €4 on ordinary paper
Why people call it a "research copy" is beyond me.... IT IS A PHOTOCOPY OF THE CERT!!
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The people I am interested in are not always recorded in the church records but the later events are in the civil records and you can get photocopies of certificates (and the more expensive official copies) as shown on this link:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
I know how to get a certificate but the link I posted for Sarah Brown's death in 1918 is the actual scanned image of the register so not sure what certificate you are planning to order from a link hallmark posted
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Ah, sorry. I used the root link to the home page of the site as it is not one I had explored properly before. Apologies for the confusion.
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I have tried, but not had any luck. It's been quite a long time since I searched so I can't remember what site I tried. Thanks for the link to the death certificate for Sarah Brown; I didn't have that.
Sheila