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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: heilanlassie on Saturday 06 February 16 19:27 GMT (UK)
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After downloading census images, I am having difficulty reading certain place names.
Before I start uploading the image, I thought maybe someone local would know some of the places, and be able to tell me if I have read them correctly.
1) Morton, Northumberland?
2) Holburn, Northimberland?
3) Sowell Forest, Northumberland?
4) West Westwood, Northumberland?
The last one is really baffling me, it looks like Riorly or Reorby, Northumberland.
Thanks in advance.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Northumberland
That may help, but bear in mind that enumerators were not always 'locals' so may have had difficulty with accents etc and spelling could be optional at the best of times.
I'd suggest Murton for Morton.
Post the image or the census refs and we can give you our best shots at it
Boo
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Try the place-name index on GenUKI:
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Gazetteer/
1) Morton could be Murton.
2) Holburn is Holburn, Holborn or Howburn in Lowick parish.
3) Sowell Forest - Low Forest?
4) West Westwood - there's a Westwood in Hexham?
5) Could Riorly or Reorby be Ridley?
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Cropped from the 1881 census
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Another cropped section from the 1881 census
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I found this description:
NGRAM (St. Michael), a parish, in the union of Glendale, N. division of Coquetdale ward and of Northumberland. Rural Deanery of Rothbury.
Could Riorby possible be Rothbury?! ;D
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Might it be Lowick Forest? There is a Holburn in Lowick parish.
Might be worth going to Genuki and the information for Ingram and Lowick parishes and click on nearby places.
William
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Try the place-name index on GenUKI:
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Gazetteer/
1) Morton could be Murton.
2) Holburn is Holburn, Holborn or Howburn in Lowick parish.
3) Sowell Forest - Low Forest?
4) West Westwood - there's a Westwood in Hexham?
5) Could Riorly or Reorby be Ridley?
I have been studying the link you sent me for genuki, and I'm wondering if Riorly / Reorby could be Reaveley.
What do you think?
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Can you give us the census ref or the name and age of one of the people on this return so we can go look?
Wherever you got the image from, on the transcription page it will give the census ref. We would need the Piece number , Folio, page details
Boo
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Okay, so I looked. It appears to be a family called Hardy
Piece 5136 Folio 87 Page 4
and yes, the place is Reaveley
Boo
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Can you give us the census ref or the name and age of one of the people on this return so we can go look?
Wherever you got the image from, on the transcription page it will give the census ref. We would need the Piece number , Folio, page details
Boo
The reference number on the bottom of the image (downloaded from ancestry) is RG11/5136 and the people I am interested in are:
Ann Hardy, widow, aged 39.
William Hardy, aged 20.
Andrew Hardy, aged 17.
Elizabeth Hardy, aged 11.
Margaret Hardy, aged 9.
Sarah Glass appears to be a sister to Ann Hardy, but the enumerator has struck his lines through both her age and her place of birth, so I can't read that information. She was a char woman.
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It might be Etal Lane House (that is how it has been transcribed in 1881 and 1891) Other censuses give her place of birth as Ford. Etal is in Ford parish.
William
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1871 Piece 5171 Folio 76 page 21
in West Weetwood, Chatton
William Hardy, 30 born Ford
Ann Hardy , 30, born Tweedmouth
William G Hardy, 10, born Lowick
Andrew Hardy, 7, born Lowick
Elizabeth Hardy, 1, born Chatton
Sarah Glass, 38, born Ford
Marriages 1869, Q1, Glendale
William Hardy and Sarah Glass
1861Piece 3891, Folio 60, Page 3
at Holburn, Lowick
Ann Glass , Unmarried, 20, born Tweedmouth is daughter to h of h
William Glass, 5months, born Northumberland, Lowick is grandson to h of h
So, Holburn, parish of Lowick is the correct birth place for William. I would venture a guess that his middle initial on the 1881 census is G for Glass as he was born prior to their marriage (William Hardy may or may not have been his father, who knows?)
Andrew seems to have been born Lowick
Elizabeth born in West Weetwood
As for Ann, I know there was a place called Murton Square in Tweedmouth it was in the 'township of Orde, within the parish of Tweedmouth' I think, but am not certain, there was also Murton nearby.Neither of these would be big enough to be villages, more hamlets really.
Boo
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Hello, I have just seen your post re place names. I have come across this family regularly in my searches as their forenames are very similar to those of my own GLASS family. They lived in several of the same places as mine and moved frequently after the annual hirings as was the tradition up here. I live near these places. I have quite a bit of info re Thomas,s (born 1801c) ancestry if you are interested. Ann Glass had 2 children before she married William Hardy. They then appeared to use Glass as a middle name.
Have you worked out the place names by now? If not I can make suggestions.
Val
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Hello, I have just seen your post re place names. I have come across this family regularly in my searches as their forenames are very similar to those of my own GLASS family. They lived in several of the same places as mine and moved frequently after the annual hirings as was the tradition up here. I live near these places. I have quite a bit of info re Thomas,s (born 1801c) ancestry if you are interested. Ann Glass had 2 children before she married William Hardy. They then appeared to use Glass as a middle name.
Have you worked out the place names by now? If not I can make suggestions.
Val
I'm drowning in Hardys and Bells................this is my husband's family tree, which I am " trying " to build for him.
Myself, being Scottish, have no idea where any of the places are in Northumberland, so I'm just blundering on, I don't even know if I'm on the correct family track sometimes.
I've been searching through my tree, and can't see a Thomas Hardy, born 1801, and wonder where he fits in.
Any information you are willing to share with me will be VERY much appreciated.
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westwood is weetwood
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THomas Glass not Hardy was Ann,s father. I first came across Ann when I started researching my ancestors in the early 1970"s. I started young and have been obsessed ever since!! I was re Roding all the GLASS references From the indexes at Berwick Register Office in the days when they allowed you to do this. I remember the details for one of Ann.s children as it stated that he was born in either Lowick or Holborn Forest which sounded rather primitive!
I will try to have a look at my notes over the weekend and get back to you.
Val
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There's a village called West Woodburn in NW Northumberland.
The "R...." place could be Rothbury? That's in a similar area.
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Re place names-
1. Murton a hamlet/farm just outside Berwick to the south west. My ancestor born there was baptised at Tweedmouth Parish Church.
2. Holborn a hamlet to south east of Lowick.
3. Lowick Forest, although not a name I hear nowadays
4. West Weetwood a farm to east of Wooler
Name beg with R must be Reaveley near Ingram
Thomas Glass had same name as my ancestor and born around same time so I have come across him regularly. He was born at North Earle Wooler, 11 Sept 1800, baptised at Wooler Tower Hill Pres Church on 7 Oct 1800. His parents were William Glass 1774-1841 and Jane Marshal 1778-1845 married at Eglingham. I have come across William in Ford Estate records as he was named frequently as a poacher! His widow could be the Jane Glass who is at Oak Hall near Crookham in the 1841 census.
Thomas moved around a lot with children born in different places. He married Elizabeth Buck and she died at Budle near Bamburgh where she is buried 1850.
Daughter Ann had 2 children before marrying William Hardy. I believe they were his children although I am not sure how I know this unless he is named on their birth registration which I saw when I visited Berwick Register Office in 1972. You were allowed to look through the indexes etc then!
Thomas died in 1877 at North Earle. If you have access to Ancestry website you can find. Several public trees on which he and his descendants appear.
I hope this is some help. I love just a few miles from these places and in fact passed West Weetwood just a couple of hours ago when driving from Wooler to Belford so if I can help. In any way just ask.
Val