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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: geh on Saturday 06 February 16 13:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I would be really interested to find out if my grandmother's brother and sister who emigrated to Australia - separately - in the 1920's have any living relatives.
Their parents were Peter McLeod and Christina (nee Reith).
John McLeod. Born Newport, Fife on 6th January 1906. Departed from London to Melbourne on 15th January 1924 aboard the MORETON BAY with his occupation given as Labourer. The only Australian record I have found online is an index of his Army Service Record from 1939-1948 which spells his last name as Macleod and confirms his wife's name as Beryl - about the only fact that we already knew. The place of enlistment was Esperance, WA - something of a surprise as the family story was that he settled in Townsville! I have ordered this from the National Archives but as the status is "not yet examined" it may not be available for 90 days.
Jane (or Jean) McLeod. Born Newport, Fife on 17th June 1903. Departed from London to Melbourne on 24th May 1928 aboard the SS BERRIMA intending to settle in Australia and we are fairly certain that she did. Her occupation was given as a Typist. We don't know where she lived or whether or not she married and had children.
If any kind person out there in RootsChat land can offer and help or guidance it would be greatly appreciated. I have researched most other branches quite extensively but until now this has been a genealogical "black hole"!
Thank you in advance.
Gill
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Looks like John & Beryl made their way to Townsville; they went to Queensland sometime between 1954 and 1963:
1949 & 1954 - Electoral Rolls, Dundas, Kalgoorlie, WA
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, Esperance, Home Duties
John MacLEOD, Esperance, Labourer
1963 - Electoral Roll, Ross, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 36 McLean St, Home Duties
John MacLEOD, 36 McLean St, Foreman
1968 - Electoral Roll, Ross, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Home Duties
John MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Gulliver, Foreman
1972 & 1977 - Electoral Roll, Currajong, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, HD
John MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, Foreman
1980 - Electoral Roll, Currajong, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, HD
John MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, _______
and earlier:
1936 & 1937 - Electoral Rolls, Kalgoorlie, Kalgoorlie, WA
Beryl Nerissa GIBBS, 15 Boulder Rd, Milliner
Cheers
AMBLY
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I will send a PM to the OP with information about a 1939 marriage that I can find online in the Reverse Western Australia Marriage Index. WA marriage certificates are very detailed, but also are expensive.
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/
http://www.wamarriage.info/
Here's the "How To" thread for the Australia Board. There are likely to be privacy issues in anyone seeking out living descendants particularly for living Australians.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0
I would be really interested to find out if my grandmother's brother and sister who emigrated to Australia - separately - in the 1920's have any living relatives. ....
Cheers, JM
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Here is the WWII nominal roll for a chap in the Royal Australian Air Force.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/VeteranCertificate.aspx?VeteranID=926421
Here is another WWII nominal roll for a chap in the Royal Australian Air Force.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=837389
It seems possible that there’s two chaps with same name, same date of birth, and same name for next of kin. Different place of birth, and different place of enlistment.
The National Archives of Australia website has separate (not yet examined) files for each of these two RAAF chaps. It will be interesting if it turns out to be just one chap.
Cheers, JM
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Dear JM
Many thanks for your very quick and interesting replies - much appreciated.
Dundee and Newport are at either end of the Tay Bridge so it is the same person! (His father was Signalman at Wormit Station on the south side for many years).
Cheers,
Gill
Here is the WWII nominal roll for a chap in the Royal Australian Air Force.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/VeteranCertificate.aspx?VeteranID=926421
Here is another WWII nominal roll for a chap in the Royal Australian Air Force.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=837389
It seems possible that there’s two chaps with same name, same date of birth, and same name for next of kin. Different place of birth, and different place of enlistment.
The National Archives of Australia website has separate (not yet examined) files for each of these two RAAF chaps. It will be interesting if it turns out to be just one chap.
Cheers, JM
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Dear Ambly
Thank you so much for taking the time to find this information - once again RootsChat members exceed all expectations!
Having their occupations and Beryl's maiden name is a bonus - I didn't know if she was Scottish or Australian but the latter is looking more probable.
Would any children living at home be added when they reached 18/21?
Cheers,
Gill
Looks like John & Beryl made their way to Townsville; they went to Queensland sometime between 1954 and 1963:
1949 & 1954 - Electoral Rolls, Dundas, Kalgoorlie, WA
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, Esperance, Home Duties
John MacLEOD, Esperance, Labourer
1963 - Electoral Roll, Ross, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 36 McLean St, Home Duties
John MacLEOD, 36 McLean St, Foreman
1968 - Electoral Roll, Ross, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Home Duties
John MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Gulliver, Foreman
1972 & 1977 - Electoral Roll, Currajong, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, HD
John MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, Foreman
1980 - Electoral Roll, Currajong, Herbert, Queensland
Beryl Nerissa MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, HD
John MacLEOD, 16 MacDonald St, Tville 4810, _______
and earlier:
1936 & 1937 - Electoral Rolls, Kalgoorlie, Kalgoorlie, WA
Beryl Nerissa GIBBS, 15 Boulder Rd, Milliner
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Gill,
If any children were born & did reach their age of majority and still live at home, you would expect them to be on the Rolls with their parents. Unfortunately I found no other MacLeod with them on any of those Rolls.
The presumption is that her surname is GIBBS - however, maybe it could be previous married name? On the two Rolls I found her on, there were no other GIBBS at the same address.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thank you for the additional information.
John would have been 33 when he married in 1939 and then of course he was in the forces for some years so it is quite possible that there weren't any children.
As it is such an unusual combination of forenames, I've googled "Beryl Nerissa" and absolutely zilch!
Perhaps we will have more luck with his sister, Jane, although I imagine that tracking her down will present more of a challenge ...!
Best wishes
Gill
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While looking through old photographs this afternoon, we came across a note saying that Jane McLeod "married a professional golfer and died".
That would seem to suggest that she didn't have children either and we will be looking for a different surname on the death certificate.
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It's very possible that when Jane/Jean came to Australia, she went to wherever her brother was, so starting the search in WA:
Using the WA Reverse Marriage index, and searching Jane or Jean or Janet, with MacLEOD or McLEOD there are two possibilities to look into:
http://www.wamarriage.info/
Jean McLEOD
Charles J COLE 1930
Jean MacLEOD
Harry G GODDEN 1934
Using Trove, there was a Harry GODDEN involved with Golf. This article from 3 Sep 1935:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h0x/
Harry Godden, thrice amateur golf champion and 1929 open champion of Western Australia, and one of the most polished stylists in the State, won the open championship of Western Australia again today, after a thrilling battle over 72 holes….
Cheers
AMBLY
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Great find Ambly
Seems Albany WA had a coach in 1948
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70528523
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/21262/269408_UDS2010852-88.pdf?sequence=15 about page 24 or 25....
Cheers, JM
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Electoral Roll 1943: Balcatta, Swan, Western Australia
Harry George GODDEN, McDonald Street, Tuart Hill, Golf Professional
Jean GODDEN McDonald Street, Tuart Hill, Home Duties
Harry George GODDEN remarried in 1949, in the Plantagenet district of WA.
He and his new wife listed on 1949 Electoral Roll South Perth, Swan, WA.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Looks like Mrs Harry George GODDEN is correct, sadly died when she was just 39 years old.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article44806398
Died 14 April 1944: Jean GODDEN, beloved wife of Harry G Godden and sister of John, Tina, Molly Jessie, Leba & Tom. Fond daughter in law of...
Died at 211 McDonald Street. Mt Hawthorn
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page3745447
Died 14 Apr 1944, Jean GODDEN
Notices all by the deceased's parents-in-law: Mr & Mrs A GODDEN and siblings-in-law: Doris, Charlie & Frank, and neighbours/friends
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00001691
Jean GODDEN
Age 39, of Mt Hawthorn
Died 14 Apr 1944
Ashes dispersed at Karrakatta
Harry George GODDEN died in 1993, also listed at Karrakatta.
Cheers
AMBLY
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What can I say - you guys are amazing!
It's a very sad end to the story, as expected, but I am still pleased to have found out what happened to her. It is apparent that there were no children but I will at least try to contact some Godden relatives.
John & Beryl had sent some photos of themselves to my grandmother, Elizabeth (the Leba mentioned in the death notice) as late as the 1960's and I am sure they would have mentioned children if they had any. (Should have done more research before posting the topic, of course).
Therefore, with grateful thanks, I think we can now close this topic.
May you receive as many acts of kindness as you give!
Best wishes,
Gill
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Glad we were able to help :-)
Just goes to show, what one wee clue can do......... "married a professional golfer" and away we went!
Cheers
AMBLY