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As assisted immigrants, Robert and Isabella DRYSDALE arrived at Port Chalmers on the Pladda on 8.9.1861. I am assuming they were a married couple.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=OW18610810.2.8&srpos=1&e=-08-1861--08-1861--10-ODT%2cOW-1----2drysdale-ARTICLE-
A Robert Drysdale died on 12.10.1865, buried in the Southern Cemetery, Dunedin. He was aged 46 years, therefore born about 1819. A farmer, born in Scotland. Years in New Zealand, three.
A Jane Drysdale, born Scotland was buried in the same plot. She died on 12.1.1884, aged 62, therefore born about 1822.
When searching for the death of an Isabella Drysdale, the NZ BDM index brought up Isabella SNEDDON.
Isabella Sneddon died on 27.6.1880, buried East Taieri Cemetery. She was aged 60 years, therefore born about 1820. Cemetery records show her as "wife of David". Native of Scotland.
Her funeral notice: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ESD18800628.2.20.2&srpos=1&e=--1880---1880--10-ESD%2cODT%2cOW-1----2+sneddon--
I have not found a marriage for Isabella Drysdale to David Sneddon in New Zealand.
At this stage I would prefer not to purchase any printouts as I really need more information, if possible, to determine whether or not these Drysdales are indeed "mine", although I realise that this may be a tall order given the short amount of time Robert, Isabella & Jane lived in New Zealand.
My family would have come from Midlothian.
Were the Robert & Isabella Drysdale who arrived together in 1861, the same Robert who died in 1865 and Isabella Sneddon who died in 1880? And was Jane Drysdale a sister of Robert?
I look forward to your response...........
MInniehaha.
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Good Afternoon,
The Robert who died in 1865 left a will - and his wife is named as Jane.
This will has been indexed so you can look it up on Family Search.
Regards
Jean
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Thank you Jean. That takes care of the 1865 Robert Drysdale nicely. Always good to have another pair of eyes on the job. :D
Minniehaha.
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Hi Minnie,
There are four trees on line for Isabella and David Sneddon. This marriage took place February 1841, in New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland. One tree has parents as William Drysdale and Jane Cowie. This Isabella was born April 1821, Perthshire, Scotland and was still in Scotland in 1864.
Does this save you some pennies? :)
Cheers
KHP
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Hello KHP,
Yes, thank you for your input. Every little bit helps.
This Isabella does not therefore belong to the Robert Drysdale who arrived in 1861. Odd though that BDM throws up Sneddon when you look for the death of Isabella Drysdale. ???
Back to the drawingboard............ :)
Minniehaha.
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Always eluding us. Could it be possible that Isabella died and that Robert remarried? Or are we looking at a different Robert?
Cheers
KHP
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Hi KHP,
I have no idea where to go with this one now.
I wonder where these children were born?
1870/39944 Drysdale NR Isabella Robert -
1864/19929 Drysdale Robert Isabella Robert -
1868/30225 Drysdale James Isabella Robert -
1872/34324 Drysdale NR Isabella Robert -
1866/30861 Drysdale William Isabella Robert
Minniehaha.
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When searching for the death of an Isabella Drysdale, the NZ BDM index brought up Isabella SNEDDON.
Isabella Sneddon died on 27.6.1880, buried East Taieri Cemetery. She was aged 60 years, therefore born about 1820. Cemetery records show her as "wife of David". Native of Scotland.
Her funeral notice: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ESD18800628.2.20.2&srpos=1&e=--1880---1880--10-ESD%2cODT%2cOW-1----2+sneddon--
I have not found a marriage for Isabella Drysdale to David Sneddon in New Zealand.
Isabella SNEDDON
Additional info : [Source: Burial record ex cemetery]
(Formerly DRYSDALE) - d/o John DRYSDALE and Anne nee MARSHALL.
Married David SNEDDON at age 20 at Airdrie, Scotland : Issue : 4 daughters / 3 sons :
Lived in New Zealand for 5 months.
[* My Note : Appear to have arrived per ship "Canterbury" to Otago on 27 January 1880. Isabella and David SNEDDON (miner) ex Larnarkshire - aged 53 and 55 years respectively ("ages" possibly tweaked ?)
Fare was paid in the Colony. ]
~ Lu
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Hi KHP,
I have no idea where to go with this one now.
I wonder where these children were born?
1870/39944 Drysdale NR Isabella Robert -
1864/19929 Drysdale Robert Isabella Robert -
1868/30225 Drysdale James Isabella Robert -
1872/34324 Drysdale NR Isabella Robert -
1866/30861 Drysdale William Isabella Robert
Minniehaha.
Not sure, but I am guessing it could possibly be Otago .... mind you I am only going by the Robert Drysdale that is showing on the E/R's from 1870/1871. Don't quote me please ;D Lu will put me on the right track.
Cheers
KHP
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The Robert Drysdale who died in 1865 can't be the father of at least 3 of those children ;)
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The Robert Drysdale who died in 1865 can't be the father of at least 3 of those children ;)
See Reply #1 the 1865 Robert was married to Jane.
Cheers
KHP
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To KHP & AbbyKatNZ.........
Yes, I realise that 1865 Robert cannot be the father. He has been well and truly ruled out. I have changed tack. ;D Just trying to see what turns up. It could suit me if those children were born in Otago. A marriage in NZ not found for the couple who produced those children, if they arrived in 1861.
To Lu,
Thank you for the additional details. Good to clear that one off.
Minniehaha.
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AbbyKatNZ has very kindly sent me the 1851 census details......
Robert was aged 12. He had a number of siblings including a sister Isabella, aged 16.
So I think I shall have to ponder on this some more. Thanks everyone for your help. :)
Minniehaha.
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So he could have travelled out with his sister?
Cheers
KHP
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That is the problem KHP, I just don't have enough information.
Rather than spend any more time on it I think it might be best to "suspend all action" meantime.
Minniehaha. :)
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AbbyKatNZ has just found Robert still at home in Scotland in the 1871 census!!
Thank you....... :)
Minniehaha.
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So the Robert and Isabella in your first post can be scratched? Thrown in the scrap heap?
Cheers
KHP
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Looks like it KHP. When you have only family rumour to work with, it can be a bit daunting knowing where to start. And in this case it may have been just that, rumour. ;D
Minniehaha.
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We know that we take rumours with a grain of salt, at least you can sleep well tonight without any thoughts of the couple running through your head. At least you have something to chase up now :D
Cheers
KHP
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As assisted immigrants, Robert and Isabella DRYSDALE arrived at Port Chalmers on the Pladda on 8.9.1861. I am assuming they were a married couple.
Hello.
An assumption so easy to make. We have an example in our tree where a brother and a sister came out from Scotland in 1859. They came to kinsman whom they knew, and were hosted by them until their parents, and the younger siblings, arrived a couple of years later.
From what I knew of their connections to my family, I JUST ASSUMED it was the Father [same Christian name as son] and Daughter, who came out first. I was well into researching that family before I discovered my mistake.
There had been a job awaiting the female's arrival.
Upon arrival they [our extended lot] definitely sought out fellow countrymen, so there will be clues and a key to be found with further research.
All the best.
- Alan.
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I wonder where these children were born?
1870/39944 Drysdale NR Isabella Robert -
1864/19929 Drysdale Robert Isabella Robert -
1868/30225 Drysdale James Isabella Robert -
1872/34324 Drysdale NR Isabella Robert -
1866/30861 Drysdale William Isabella Robert
Hi Minnie...
All births registered in Waikouaiti.
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Interestingly (or not), the following 1864 Waikouaiti births were consecutive on the fiche...
1864/751 - DRYSDALE, Ellen
1864/752 - DRYSDALE, Robert
Robert was the son of Robert and Isabella.
Ellen was the daughter of David and Mary..
Wonder if David and Robert (the two fathers) were siblings/cousins.
There is plenty online about David DRYSDALE and Mary TURNBULL
Was able to look on ancestry this afternoon and the burial record for David's wife Mary says...
Blackstone Hill Cemetery, Maniatoto County
Mary DRYSDALE d.15 Jan 1903 aged 77y - daughter of William TURNBULL, farmer, mother unknown - Presbyterian - born Sutherlandshire, Scotland - 30 years in NZ - Married in Victoria to David DRYSDALE
Headstone
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35211-6534-97?cc=2115582 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35211-6534-97?cc=2115582)
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And here is a link to some info about David DRYSDALE...
http://tinyurl.com/jnwqqj4 (http://tinyurl.com/jnwqqj4)
I think Stirling, England should be Stirling, Scotland.
Regards
Beg
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Hello Beg,
Now that is interesting because Waikouaiti was close to where I found a confirmed Drysdale member of my family, namely James, born about 1839 and who emigrated about 1866 as a widower. He farmed at Palmerston (South).
However AbbyKatNZ has confirmed that Robert did not come to New Zealand. There was a family headed by a William Drysdale who lived at Blueskin (Waitati). I believe they originally came from Glenluce in Wigtownshire and so I have ruled them out.
That David I have also ruled out, having some years ago made contact with a descendant. At this stage it appears that perhaps only James emigrated, about 5 years after his married sister, who was my great-great-grandmother.
Thank you for your interest.......
Minniehaha.
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Robert DRYSDALE was born circa 1834 Mochrum, Wigtown, Scotland and married Isabella HENERY on 23 November 1857 at Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland. The 1861 census has them at The Barbeth Farm, Cottage House, Kirkcolm, Wigtown, Scotland. They then came to NZ aboard the Platta. Robert and Isabella appear as the parents on the death record for one of my ancestors, Annie McCALL (nee DRYSDALE). But in fact, it appears my Annie was actually the illegitimate child of Robert and another woman named Mary ANDERSON (verified by her Scottish birth date and the 1861 census). Mary died when Annie was 4 (also in 1861). Annie also came to Otago but it seems not with Robert and Isabella. Possibly Annie did not arrive in NZ until as late as 1876 (aboard the Pomond) and quickly married Hugh McCALL on arrival -- I've got some more checking to do about this.
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Some more info from Isabella's death certificate, Isabella Henry Drysdale died 18 April 1877 in Palmerston. She had been in NZ 16 years (consistent with arriving on the Pladda in 1861). She had 3 living male children (also consistent with records you listed). Her husband was Robert Drysdale. He signed Isabella's death certificate so he was certainly still alive in 1877, indeed I believe he died in Kurow on 3 March 1893, but I've yet to obtain his actual death certificate.
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Hello,
Thank you for your interest but it appears that this branch of the Drysdale family is not connected to mine.
Minniehaha. :)